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Daily Kitten Chat Forum Topic: Makes Scrooge look like a Saint! http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Daily Kitten Chat Forum Topic: Makes Scrooge look like a Saint! en Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:07:46 +0000 Leeny on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471675 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:13:43 +0000 Leeny 471675@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ I have an idea for a solution to this problem. Because this town has no property tax, start one. Slap it on the gated community where "Connie" lives, and use the money to pay the librarians. If he goes into apoplexy over having to support the hated library and has a stroke over it, he won't have anyplace to go for rehab in "his" town because he killed plans for senior housing. He can then be shipped off to Chicago, where there are plenty of poor people and no one will be interested in listening to him curse for two hours. Sheba's Mom in Raleigh, NC on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471633 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:17:40 +0000 Sheba's Mom in Raleigh, NC 471633@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Emma, you always have the perfect words! How sad! When I was growing up I always went to the library--still one of my favorite places. I can read magazines without having to subscribe to all of them. katthays on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471543 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:58:15 +0000 katthays 471543@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ UNBELIEVABLE!!! Siobhan on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471535 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:55:42 +0000 Siobhan 471535@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Yup, I'm with you, Emma. We have to have these bozos in the world just so we can see the positive and good things and treasure them even more. Emma on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471461 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:45:05 +0000 Emma 471461@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ In the words of my sainted mother, "He will die alone." Bad as it is to know him, it would be worse to be like him. So we are all fortunate, my sweet friends! KYKAT 12 23 on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471412 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:16:24 +0000 KYKAT 12 23 471412@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Too bad the library isn't set up as a 501 C 3 non profit organization. If it was, I would donate toward it. Unfortunately, sending money to the town probably wouldn't help. A pox on that man. What comes around goes around and surely this meanness will eventually come back on him. Siobhan on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471403 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:06:42 +0000 Siobhan 471403@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Emma, slime mold doesn't lay eggs :-) Emma on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471386 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:51:02 +0000 Emma 471386@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Quit criticizing that poor man. I am sure that when his mother laid her eggs in the sand and slithered off, she had no idea what that one egg would become. jcat on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471210 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:56:00 +0000 jcat 471210@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Okay, so Carnegie and Mellon were robber barons but at least they believed in libraries. Some of NZ's first small town libraries were donated by Carnegie. Fancy telling an eleven-year-old to put her money where her mouth is and actually trying to give her sleepless nights. Hope his karma comes round quickly! Annie R on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471191 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:18:49 +0000 Annie R 471191@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ So the guy is an attorney, that explains a lot....what a jerk! Thank God he's not a dad, heaven help the child who had him for a parent. Shelley on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471107 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:40:42 +0000 Shelley 471107@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Got it CW, thanks! Catwoman on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471087 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:08:01 +0000 Catwoman 471087@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ The mother's first and last name are in the second story...anyone who wants the address can look her up on anywho dot com. The name of the town is in the story. I don't want to post it here because it will show up in search engines. Kilroy on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471083 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:54:24 +0000 Kilroy 471083@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ What a great idea. I'm sending her a gift card too (says someone who used to walk home from the library with her nose in a a book - people in my hometown knew to drive around me if they saw me). Leeny on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471075 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:45:28 +0000 Leeny 471075@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Forgive my prejudice, but it doesn't surprise me that he makes his living--and it must be far more than anyone in the library ever made if he's living in a gated community and driving a Mercedes--protecting criminals from justice. The mall in Oak Brook has a Barnes and Noble. I'm getting a gift card so that Sydney can pick what she wants. Shelley on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471074 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:41:17 +0000 Shelley 471074@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ formergrappin at yahoo dot com : ) Catwoman on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471073 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:36:00 +0000 Catwoman 471073@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ MORE: Telling her mother that she wanted to come to the aid of a library under attack, 11-year-old Sydney Sabbagha stood at the podium before the Oak Brook village board. "I used to go to the library knowing there were people there to help me find a book. Now there is no one to help me," Sydney said solemnly. "It will never be the same without the people you fired." Sydney nestled back into her seat, but that didn't stop 69-year-old criminal attorney Constantine "Connie" Xinos from boldly putting her in her place. "Those who come up here with tears in their eyes talking about the library, put your money where your mouth is," Xinos shot back. He told Sydney and others who spoke against the layoffs of the three full-time staffers (including the head librarian and children's librarian) and two part-timers to stop "whining" and raise the money themselves. "I don't care that you guys miss the librarian, and she was nice, and she helped you find books," Xinos told them. "Don't cry crocodile tears about people who are making $100,000 a year wiping tables and putting the books back on the shelves," Xinos smirked, apparently referencing the fired head librarian, who has advanced degrees and made $98,676 a year. He said Oak Brook had to "stop indulging people in their hobbies" and "their little, personal, private wants." Sydney was upset and "her little friend was in tears" after Xinos spoke at the meeting last week, says mom Hope Sabbagha. "I wanted that kid to lose sleep that night," a grinning Xinos says Wednesday, as he invites me for a nearly two-hour interview in his Mercedes-Benz in the gated Oak Brook community where he lives. "This is the real world and the lesson, you folks who brought your kids here, is if you want something, pay for it." Xinos, who unsuccessfully sued to stop the building of the new library, which opened in 2002, sits on one side of the issue. He lost his election bid to be a village board member, but has been president of his home association since 1983 and worked to elect board members who agree with him about the library. On the other side sits Barbara Benezra, the longtime president of the Friends of the Oak Brook Public Library, who considers the library "my third child." "This is the heart of the village," Benezra says as she tours the library and surrounding gardens under a sign sporting a Cicero quotation reading, "If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need." "We don't have a grocery store," Benezra says. "We have this." While Benezra acknowledges the need for some budget cuts at the library, given the recession, she says, "There's always been a faction of this town that's been anti-library." The librarians, who stereotypically remain hushed for this story, obviously feel a bit threatened. They have turned to the Teamsters for some labor help. Teamster librarians in Oak Brook? Mercy. "We get good contracts for all kinds of professionals," says Brian Rainville, executive director of Teamsters Joint Council 25, which oversees 100,000 Chicago-area Teamsters, from pharmacists to zoo keepers. "They have given us petitions," Village Manager David Niemeyer says of the Teamsters. "Assuming they do become certified, we'll have to negotiate with them." Other village employees are unionized and the village works out contracts with them. "Everybody thinks Oak Brook is rich and has all kinds of resources, but we don't," Niemeyer says. "Oak Brook has very low taxes and that's a point of pride in this town." Begun as a volunteer effort in 1961 with donated books, the library occupied a small space in village hall until it moved into an old school two years later. It stayed there until the village built the new library. The library is a village department funded by the general fund, same as the police, fire department and public works. It has no taxing power. Its budget comes from the village, and much of that money comes from sales tax, as there is no property tax. And sales at the mall and other businesses are down. "We're probably going through what a lot of towns are going through," Niemeyer says of the budget cuts. "None of these things are easy." It's not complicated for Xinos. "You may like the library, but when you call 9-1-1, you want a policeman or a fireman before someone to tell you where the books are in the library," says the man who has talked of privatizing, outsourcing or even closing the library. "I understand that my philosophy is conservative," Xinos says, adding that government just needs to catch bad guys, put out fires, fix the streets and make sure buildings are sturdy. He campaigned, successfully, against a plan to bring subsidized housing for seniors into town by declaring, "I don't want to live next to poor people. I don't want poor people in my town." A poor kid who grew up in Berwyn and worked in his dad's cafeteria in Chicago, Xinos went to law school and served in the Marines. Xinos says he speaks for Oak Brook's view of the Teamsters when he says, "Nobody here likes those kind of people." Xinos, who says he never had children in part because he wasn't sure he'd be able to support them, sprinkles the F-word throughout his conversations. He dismisses a recent library event involving dogs with a blunt three-word rant in which he bookends swear words around the word "that." That attitude doesn't represent the silent majority in Oak Brook, who support the library, Benezra says. "There's been no discussion on the village board about closing the library," Niemeyer notes. "There is great pride in our library. We have an outstanding library." What the library will look like in the 2010 budget depends on Xinos, Benezra, Teamsters, librarians, the village board and the people of Oak Brook. Library: <a href="http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=325508" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=325508</a> Catwoman on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471072 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:31:42 +0000 Catwoman 471072@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Sent it to Lainey and Leeny, Shelly I know I have your email address, so just give me the first few letters so I know which one in the TDK group is you. Shelley on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471068 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:24:09 +0000 Shelley 471068@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Hey CW, would you mind passing it along to me also? I would like to send her something, too. Leeny on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471066 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:22:36 +0000 Leeny 471066@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ CW, if you can verify that this is, in fact, the home of the child who experienced this and find out if there are any chain-type bookstores in the area, I'll send a gift card, too; if there aren't any chain bookstores, I'll send a book. You have my e-mail address. Karenopa on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471064 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:17:47 +0000 Karenopa 471064@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Wow...what an amazing story! That was such a brave thing for that little girl to stand up there and put in a plea for those library employees. CW and Lainey...What a wonderful generous thing to do! You Rock! =D Jetta and Boo Boo's Mom on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471031 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:33:55 +0000 Jetta and Boo Boo's Mom 471031@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ ::::shaking head::: CW please send me her info, I'll send her a gift card or at least a note of support! I bet she will find that there are more good people than those like him. laineylives at aol Catwoman on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471017 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:17:11 +0000 Catwoman 471017@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Get this, Peeps! I looked up the little girl's last name on Anywho and plugged in the town, and came up with two people with that last name at one address. I'm sending that girl a card and a nice book for an 11 year old. caroline on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471007 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:59:20 +0000 caroline 471007@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Well said, Marnet! Marnet on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-471001 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:22:10 +0000 Marnet 471001@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Mr. Scrooge personified may have money but his soul is bankrupt. Catwoman on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-470996 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:07:10 +0000 Catwoman 470996@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ I wish I knew the 11 year old girl's address. I was an avid reader at 11 (still am) and would be honored to buy her some great books and mail them to her. SoxsMom on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-470991 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:56:10 +0000 SoxsMom 470991@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ I wonder if this man had a formal education--seems like those that don't read don't want others to either. This is one very sad little man. I have to say I am proud of the 11 year old girl standing up and speaking out! Leeny on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-470990 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:55:59 +0000 Leeny 470990@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ HIS town? When did he buy and pay for it? KYKAT 12 23 on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-470989 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:54:21 +0000 KYKAT 12 23 470989@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Words fail me. SoxsMom on "Makes Scrooge look like a Saint!" http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/23010#post-470984 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:49:16 +0000 SoxsMom 470984@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ MR. BUMBLE LIVES: In 2002, attorney Constantine Xinos sued to prevent the building of a new public library in Oak Brook, Ill. The lawsuit failed, and he also lost his bid to be elected to the village board. But he's quite supportive of staff layoffs at the library due to budget shortfalls. During a public meeting, Sydney Sabbagha, 11, spoke against the cutbacks. "I used to go to the library knowing there were people there to help me find a book," the girl told the village board. "It will never be the same without the people you fired." Xinos, 69, spoke for the other side: "Those who come up here with tears in their eyes talking about the library, put your money where your mouth is," he fumed. He characterized the girl's remarks as "whining" punctuated by "crocodile tears," and said the town had to "stop indulging people in their hobbies" and "their little, personal, private wants." When asked later about his gruff treatment of an 11-year-old, Xinos -- who escorted a reporter into his gated community in his Mercedes for the interview -- confirmed he "wanted that kid to lose sleep that night." Xinos was successful in his previous bid to stop a city project: a senior housing complex. "I don't want to live next to poor people," he said at the time. "I don't want poor people in my town." (Arlington Heights Daily Herald) ...Funny, but Xinos sounds like one of the poorest people in the world.