http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ Daily Kitten Chat Forum Topic: The Pepper Project Website en Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:08:38 +0000 http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-208083 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:33:44 +0000 WillowandWindismom 208083@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Lisaeylau - I'm in Midland, TX. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207946 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:59:19 +0000 lisaeylau 207946@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Returning to the Pepper Project specifically, I think it's starting to gel. OW had a bad experience that has prompted her to act with passion. I totally understand that...it's the same kind of emotion that caused me to get so empassioned about the trolls on TDK.</p> <p>OW asked us to join the team...and we have, readily...and many people have given excellent input. Seems OW has taken it all into consideration and is using what she sees as the best parts of our input. Am I correct so far, OW? Let me know. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207943 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:53:22 +0000 lisaeylau 207943@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>WW, where do you live? That sounds wonderful!!!! I'm still in a quandry about getting my patio kitties their shots, and fixed. When I say I literally have to skip at least 1 bill a month, sometimes 2, I'm not kidding. I need a job so badly--or I'd setting for a flurry of new clients. In the meantime, I've *got* to find a way to take care of these babies!!! </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207792 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:46:04 +0000 MerD 207792@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Your telling me, with 4 kittens altered last summer I could not have afforded it. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207789 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:44:56 +0000 SoxsMom 207789@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>They are a Godsend! </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207788 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:43:57 +0000 MerD 207788@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Colorado also has a spay neuter bus, one for dogs and one for cats, but not many people know about it. I occasionaly go on craigs list/pets and post the information and ph#. ($10 per animal) </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207784 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:40:11 +0000 Networker 207784@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>If you have not found a free hosting service yet, try Brinkster.com</p> <p>They have packages available as well as free sites with around 15 MB of space as I remember.</p> <p><a href="http://www.brinkster.com/FreePkgLanding.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.brinkster.com/FreePkgLanding.aspx</a></p> <p>Networker </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207757 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:05:16 +0000 WillowandWindismom 207757@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>It's true, SM. That's why I was totally amazed to find that my city does these vouchers. But, the question is.... why on earth don't they advertise that???? Really, if my vet had not told me I would never have known. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207735 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:31:47 +0000 SoxsMom 207735@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>We have vets that have brought in the free and reduced spay and neuter bus. It makes a difference. I wish that our local vets would also lower their fee. It cost me $75 for Teaser and $50 for Sox. Deuter goes next month. With shots and everything it is always over $100 per animal. That is why so many people don't spay and neuter. They have a hard time with the fees. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207708 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:44:46 +0000 WillowandWindismom 207708@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>I think that my county must be kind of unique in this practice, but anyone who lives within the county limits can go to the city run shelter here and obtain a voucher of $70 per animal for spaying. You have to take proof of residency, proof of the first shots, and the kitty or dog, who must be wearing a collar with their rabies tag on it. They don't do much except compare the tag that the animal is wearing to the shot record. Then they give you a voucher to take to the vet of your choosing. Our vet didn't even charge $70 per kitty to spa the girls.</p> <p>I think that somehow that service is wrapped up in our taxes but the shame of it is that lots of people don't even know that our city provides those vouchers. I wouldn't have known if they hadn't told me at the vet clinic. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207633 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:14:03 +0000 3Bangin'kitties 207633@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>So true Lenny. I'm gonna make a sign out of that saying and post it at the shelter. Thanks </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207628 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:05:12 +0000 Leeny 207628@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>3BK, I wish it could be written across the sky somewhere:</p> <p>"There is no such thing as a free kitten.<br /> There is no such thing as a free puppy.<br /> Having a companion animal costs money.<br /> That cost includes a spay/neuter surgery." </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207623 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:01:15 +0000 3Bangin'kitties 207623@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Oh I so agree SM, the shelter I voluteer at does spaying and neutering for cats and dogs for only $10, who can't afford that, if you can't, you shouldn't have it? I spread the word as much as possible. Every animal is truly loved, just no other option. Thanks for the support SM.<br /> I would love to have some sort of legislation passed some day that you can be ticketed and fined for having an animal that isn't fixed, epecially if its running free, unless your a registered breeder. Maybe thats a good way I could try to tackle the problem...hmmmmm</p> <p>{3BK thinking.!.!.!.!.ouch} </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013/page/2#post-207617 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:56:18 +0000 2bpurring 207617@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Spay and Neutering is the answer...wish it was the law..and wish is could direct my tax dollars to support this for all the ferals as well.. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207616 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:53:51 +0000 SoxsMom 207616@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>70% or more of the animals in our shelter end up being put down. Not because anyone wants them put down but there is no room and more and more come in. 3BK I have a feeling we do a lot of the same thing. I see the staff cry when animals are put down. Workers on the phone trying to get animals in a no kill shelter. It is heart breaking. Have brought in free and reduced spay/neuter clinics. If we are lucky we get 5-6 cats in a 2 day period and the cat population has exploded. At least more dog owners are finally getting their animals fixed. I agree 3BK, pet owner have to be made aware and held responsible for their pets! </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207601 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:41:33 +0000 3Bangin'kitties 207601@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Susie, I understand what your saying, no-kill shelters do put down animals they deem unadoptable, I volunteer at one that does that. If they pass it, they won't put it down no matter what. While I agree it is sad for these animals. They don't really have any other choice, there aren't near enough people willing/able to adopt. If they never put down any animals there would never be room for them all, food for them all, there would be smaller cages for them all, and for the majority the rest of their lives. I find that worse, just my opinion. </p> <p>I know personaly the vets that put these animals down, I have even assisted, giving the animal comfort in its last moments. Some of you will probably find that cruel and heartless of me, but I'm realistic, I see first hand what happens, and I know that, right now, there is no other solution. Every animal does deeply sadden me. I can honestly say I would rather euthanize any animal than condem it to the cage forever in a stressful environment like a shelter. </p> <p>This decision is not made lightly by the animal behaviorists. Many tests, given several times, they really give all animals the benifit of the doubt. I haven't heard any other solution offered, just anger that these animals are being put down. There needs to be a solution offered rather than just telling people to watch out for shelters. We already have all shelters overflowing w/ animals. Imagine if they didn't put any down? Only so many people are willing to adopt, so the problem would be even worse than it is now, we would have 10 times more animals living their days out in cages. </p> <p>This is why, again, I feel the source needs to be tackled. The unresponsible pet parents that aren't spaying and neutering. Unless another solution is offered. Even for these rescues out there not operating on the up &#38; up, and I do believe they are out there, but again, you gotta go to the source. If these bad pet owners didn't exist, neither would the shady rescues. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207428 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:29:05 +0000 2bpurring 207428@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Yes I too have read those stories in the local paper, our local shelter had many problems too several years ago, but fortanatly some Hollywood celebrity wanted to adopt a dog from that shelter and she too was given the run around, then when she showed up to adopt, after being approved and doing all the paperwork, they had put the dog down that morning. Gave her no explaination other than basically "Opps"..Well, she had the pull and things here finally changed... </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207426 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:26:05 +0000 feral 207426@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>I feel the need to jump in here &#38; comment. It seems everyone is looking at this project in different perspective from one another. It's barely been born,&#38; now being shelved. With any new web page,there will be "things" to change or "adjust",or require more investigation...however you want to put it.</p> <p>The bottom line is...about the animals. I offered without hesitation &#38; for the benefit of knowledge &#38; perspective the photos of Hopper &#38; Hissy that are being used on the site. Both cats went thru hell to get to where they are today...FREE to live. If I hadn't persisted in capturing them,getting them fixed &#38; releasing them,well,they would've ended up in those cages they are shone in or a so-called no-kill shelter for the duration of their lives or euthanized because of over-crowding at these shelters (just because they say it's no-kill,doesn't mean they don't euthanize the less adoptable types).</p> <p>And too many times,altho they mean well &#38; love animals,these "Rescue" or "Foster Homes" become their only way of avoiding being euthanized...at literally,the expense of their freedom. I've seen it first-hand &#38; feel that in order to raise awareness,you have to start somewhere...And OW, I commend you at starting with the idea in the first place. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207411 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:10:20 +0000 owlwatcher_974 207411@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>On the subject of shelters and rescues, one of the original threads that was deleted had several horror stories about shelters and rescues. Two stories that stand out in my memory are animal control officers unfairly seizing animals and a no-kill shelter killing a kitten that somebody wanted to adopt. </p> <p>These stories, and what I am going through right now, are what inspired me for this project. Not only that but I have witnessed and heard horrible things about the local animal control and animal shelter. Two people that I know of besides myself, have had dogs captured by the city animal control - in all three cases the dogs' collars were removed by the animal control officers - who denied that the animals had collars when captured - and one of the animals was adopted out as a stray less than two days after it was taken to the shelter. My dog, who was dragged out of her own doghouse at around 6:00pm (yes she had gotten out but ran back into the yard) was scheduled to be euthanized the next afternoon giving me very little time to rescue her from the shelter. Since her collar was removed, they had no contact information to get in touch with me.<br /> These are not isolated incidents either. My neighbor's dog was put to sleep less than two days after animal control caught the dog, which had gotten loose. That dog was wearing a collar too but they claimed that it had no collar. So in this case, they find a healthy dog that is lost, take its collar off, and euthanize it less than two days after it entered the shelter. My neighbor filed a complaint but did not have the money to take things any further.</p> <p>A few years ago, this same shelter made the news when they they put somebody's dog up for adoption less than three days after it entered the shelter. The owners called the shelter and found out that their lost dog was there and told them they would be by that afternoon to get their dog. By the time they got there, a couple of hours after calling the shelter, their dog had been adopted out. The shelter refused to give them the information about the family that had adopted the dog and the people lost their beloved pet -- the animal shelter did not even hold the dog for the period of time that they were supposed to before putting it up for adoption.</p> <p>This same shelter also made the news when they were caught selling animals to companies for research purposes.</p> <p>The county shelter isn't much better. In fact, the county animal control tried to steal one of my friend's dogs out of her yard. She saw them sticking a catch pole between her gate and the fence, trying to catch her dog with it. She came outside and asked what they were doing and they quickly backed away. She called in to the office to file a complaint and they tried to tell her that they could just seize an animal if it didn't have a license. Of course that is a load of garbage - they are supposed to give you a written warning and give a set amount of time to get the dog licensed.</p> <p>There are a lot of other stories out there but I have to leave for work now so I don't have time to go into this any further. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207405 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:08:33 +0000 Karenopa 207405@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>I have a horrific, heartbreaking story of a shelter that I'm just not ready to write down yet. I will....but it's still so painful after so many years that I find it unnerving to talk about. Know this...Shelters are NOT all good. They lie to cover-up for one another at times at the cost of their jobs being lost should anyone learn the truth. I know for the most part the shelters are such a blessing but with all things in life..there's always a downside and the realty of poor sheltering is just that...A reality. Very sad reality. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207372 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:35:59 +0000 2bpurring 207372@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>I agree.. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207361 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:27:04 +0000 3Bangin'kitties 207361@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>It makes me sick! This is a topic I want to find a way to tackle, make a difference somehow. Some people seem to collect animals, love the idea of them, then completly neglact them. You have to have a license to shot an animal, you should have to have a license to own one too. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207333 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:54:02 +0000 2bpurring 207333@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>It must be very hard not to want to put that man down instead!!!! I currently have a neighbor showing the same irresponsibility and have spoken to him so many times..he keeps promising to have her fixed, just saw her son (from the last litter) humping her..neither have been fixed yet...I'm almost ready to seek them out of his yard and bring them back fixed. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207325 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:48:28 +0000 SoxsMom 207325@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>3BK you are spot on!!! People need to take responsibility for their pets. I am sick over one in our shelter. A man brings in his mix breed dog--she is pregnant. He says I keep her on a chain in the yard she should be pregnant. She might be chained but every male dog in the neighborhood can smell her. She is slated to be put down because of her agression level. She is a pit bull mix and fairly aggressive. Because this guy didn't get her spayed or get her in the house she and her pups will be put down because he is ticked because she got pregnant. He thinks that he has no responsibility because he had her chained. Pet owners need to get pets spayed and neutered. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207309 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:37:33 +0000 3Bangin'kitties 207309@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>I totally understand 2B. I do think everyone understands, and supports where ow is coming from. I am very fortunate that I haven't had any bad experiences with shelter. But I'm also very aware that there aren't bad ones out there. If we could just control the neglect and overall population, we wouldn't even need all these rescues. I wish you both luck with Pepper </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207251 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:24:37 +0000 2bpurring 207251@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>3B, I agree, rescues and shelters are part of the solution, but I hope everyone also understand where OW is coming from..right now her heart is in her throat and it's all because of one bad rescue organization..Just like all areas of organizations, there are always a few bad apples and OW is surrounded by this one, and with her love for these animals, she is forced to watch daily as this one bad apple operates and these animals suffer for it..I'm sure it is very hard right now for her to focus on anything else..It too has my 24 hour attention..maybe once we can do something about this one we can refocus the project.. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207235 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:02:44 +0000 3Bangin'kitties 207235@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>Lisa, Willow and Deb<br /> ...Thanks for understanding </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-207188 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:26:44 +0000 lisaeylau 207188@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>3BK, always, always follow your gut, or "lizard brain." It has access to loads of data that your forebrain can't access. It doesn't have the circuits because it's too new. Lizard will never steer you wrong. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-206981 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:13:44 +0000 WillowandWindismom 206981@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>3BK, we are not here to judge. We must each act according to our conscientiousness. So please don't think that any of us would think ill of you.</p> <p>OW, I wish that I could help with the website. But, although I know how to use sites that are already there (like TDK), I have no clue how to create them. But there is an abundance of talent here and I know that it will be accomplished. </p> http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/8013#post-206970 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:52:58 +0000 lisaeylau 206970@http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/ <p>I know dotster has a big sale going on hosting, but I don't think it's free.</p> <p>I'm sorry I'm not dependable right not. That's not to say I'm not occasionally available. It's got me sooooo frusrated. But I'll help when I can. </p> <p>I, too, agreed to be part of an awareness campaign, and as long as the Pepper Project stays focused on that, in a positive manner, I'm onboard.</p> <p>My only worry is that if we publish the very worst photos we can find, the project will have a backlash effect. People have a limited capacity for secondary trauma. I can tell you that I can't see horrible photos of neglected animals. I just cannot do that to myself. The reasons are deeply personal. I see plenty of other things, and am well aware of what amimals experience. So if seeing such photos is a foregone conclusion on the Pepper Project team, I might not be such a great contributor as I'd hoped. </p> <p>But that doesn't mean I don't support the concept...people absolutely need to know that dropping an animal off at an organization that calls itself a "rescue" doesn't guarantee that animal a bright future...and if they don't follow up on the animal they deliver to a rescue, they shouldn't be walking around thinking they did a wonderful deed. The deed isn't done until they see the animal into a good home. If I understand OW correctly, that is the core mission of the PP. Is that correct? </p>