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new kitten owner needs help!

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  1. hi, saying hello from down under in australia,

    i have always liked cats, and have had a few as a child, mainly outdoors cats, were i was too young to look after them myself, not knowing how tiresome it can be!

    two nights ago my partner brought me home a kitten, he is 9 weeks old, a domestic medium hair ginger kitten, i have strayed away from cats as since i have grew older ive found them to be giving me alot of allergic reactions, depending on what cat it was.

    this new kitten is a handfull and i dont know were to turn to get some questions answered!

    Most importantly, he is toilet trained, and does use the litter box every time, however, when he is trying to cover it the little runt steps all over his poop, gets it on his paws and back legs this happens alot (50% of the time) and runs through the house!

    now i love him to bits and there is nothing more i want than to cuddle up to him on the bed, but not with stinky paws/legs, thats for sure, and everytime i try my best to clean his feet im woried too much about hurting him and he is calm for the first few wipes or so, then he squirms and screams and leave me needing a blood transfusion half the time.

    to top it all off as soon as i clean him up not 5 minutes later he is back in the litter box and once again his feet and legs are covered in poop!! all the work for nothing and its quite frustrating!

    should he be poopoing 6-7-8 times a day? also, i feed him dry food in the morning and wet food at about 8pm, half a small tin of whatever really, and milk with the wet food and water with the dry food, i do have the sneaking suspision my partner is feeding him extra wet food in the morning after i leave for work, is this too much food for him as a 9 week old kitten?

    also, we have a cat litter box thats about maybe 4-5 times bigger than him, is this too small, we use crystal cat litter, and it works a treat, we line the tray with newspaper at the bottom, to try and absorb the liquids, but when he digs he digs it all up and it ends up scrunched inbetween all the litter, i think it makes him abit uneasy digging, would this be a reason he keeps stepping in his mess?

    also, whats the best way to go about bathing him and washing his feet, its taking a toll on my arms and hands..

    i love him but he is just full of beans and poops everywere... its really wearing me down! and its only day 3!

    Posted 3 years ago by cros15 #

  2. Welcome Don't Have One!
    Correction: you DO have one! Anyway, welcome to TDK! May you have many years of enjoyment from your new kitty.
    To answer your questions, well, first of all, I'd say clean out the litter asap after kitty leaves so he won't get it all over him/her in five minutes again. Next, try some baby wipes to clean off paws instead of washing in the sink. Water sometimes freaks out kittens, sometimes they like it you never know. Eventually kitty will learn not to step in its own mess, you just have to be patient on that one. Also they will learn to lick themselves clean and you won't have to do it for them.
    Is the poop runny? Maybe the kitty is allergic to milk. Try giving just water. Also, give only 1/4 can wet food and see if that helps. If kitty is really hungry, try splitting wet food half in morning and half in evening.
    Hope this helps, I'm sure other people will put in more advice too. Good Luck! Whats kitty's name by the way?

    Posted 3 years ago by Jadete in TN #

  3. Hi, DHO, welcome to TDK. I'm a late-night Kiwi just checking in before I go to bed... This is a great site, full of knowledgeable people and we are all nuts about kitties. Welcome to the madhouse, I'm sure we will have you converted in no time!

    I'm hoping these previous threads may help you with your kitty's problem. (What's his name, by the way?) Check out http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/11136 and http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/10235.

    Also, many members have spouses with allergy problems to cats, I'm sure they will have some suggestions on how to cut your allergic reactions down (if I remember rightly, Anncetera, our kitty guru, suggests a weekly bath).

    Lastly, when you say you give kitty milk, PLEASE don't give him cows' milk. If you want to give him milk, kitten replacement milk (KRM) is the way to go. You might need to ask your vet if this is available in Aus and, if so, under what name. I think Whiskas also put out a brand of cat milk with taurine in it (or they used to). But cows milk is hard for cats to digest and will probably give your kitten diarrhoea, making the poop problem worse.

    Kittens ARE full of beans, he will calm down as he matures, and especially after he is neutered, and then you will miss the 'kitten days'. Have you tried wearing him out with a cat dancer toy (feathery thing on a string dangling from a wand you wave in front of him) or a cheap laser light he can follow round the room (you can get them at the $2 shop here in NZ).

    If he is REALLY wearing you out, you might want to consider getting another kitten (no, seriously). Two will keep each other occupied in non-stop play and will barely notice you are there until they want to snuggle Mum and flake out.

    Hope this helps a bit -- keep checking back later. As more knowledgeable TDKers come on, I'm sure they will have more suggestions. I'll add a couple of tags to your post to alert them to your queries.

    GOOD LUCK with your little one!

    Posted 3 years ago by jcat #

  4. yeah... changed the nickname... hehe...

    ok... yes he is desexed/wormed/vacinated and microchipped! so all that is out of the way...

    i have noticed he has been cleaning himself which is good, he sure is full of beans, you know since i got him, all he does is play and play and chase shoe strings, or old pens, or newspaper around, it doesnt matter what it is he goes absolutly NUTS.. its as if he is possesed!!

    now most of the day while we are at work he is in the laundry, with access to the hallway and also the spare bedroom were all there really is, is a old bench press and gym equipment. he has his litter box, his bed, a scratching post, and all the toys/pens/ and newspaper and shoe laces to play with, yet when i get home and let him in my bedroom if he is clean, he goes BALISTIC! just as if he is possesed, chaseing everyhting in site, even attacking my bed sheets when they just sit there being bed sheets...

    i dont know... i havnt had a single nice kitty snuggle in lap asleep moment since i got him, which i used to have with all my other kittens/cats... everytime i try and hold him and stroke him he just starts biteing and clawing at my fingers, but he is purring, then he stops to lick my hand, then snaps and off he goes again biting... then jumps away and off he goes again attacking shoe strings.

    i thought if i could tire him out he would come for a cat nap next to me.. but its been a whole 45 minutes, and he has not stop playing/attacking the shoe lace... then he pooped again and walked in it, AGAIN! so i locked him in the laundry as i cant wash him again tonight, its 11:30pm and i need sleep!...

    hopefully he will clean himself up like he has been doing, i dont know... is this normal kitten behavior? none of my old cats were like this.

    also as for alergy's, well...some cats would cause my eyes to water, puff up and id be sneezing alot, this cat is fine, i can rub my face in his and im fine, but when he claws me and bites me my hands swell abit and become itchy, like a mosquito bite....

    Posted 3 years ago by cros15 #

  5. Well, you know, Cros15, while you are at work 8 hours or more, he is probably fast asleep, waiting for mama to come home and PLAY WITH HIM!

    Posted 3 years ago by jcat #

  6. Cros15, there are several things I can think of that might help out in your situation.

    Don't feed milk, especially if it's cow's milk. His digestive system needs to switch over to obligate carnivore mode. If you absolutely must give him a dairy treat, a piece of cheese the size of a pea or bean will be fine; up to a level tablespoon of plain, unsweetened yogurt would be fine, too. And for now, no table scraps, either.

    Regulating his diet properly will soon result in firm poop, not anything runny; it will become more firm and more difficult for it to stick to him. You may have best results with all dry food for his diet, with only a tablespoon or so of wet food at night, as a treat before bedtime. Check the quality of food he's getting, too; higher quality food usually results in less poop. At least 2 or 3 of the first ingredients should be meat (not by-products or digest), and no more than 1 or 2 grains should be in the first 5 ingredients.

    I'd not use newspaper at the bottom of the litter. I'd use the largest litter pan you can find, though; he'll grow into it. (I use a concrete mixing tray.) And you'll want to scoop at least once a day; only put an inch or so of litter in the bottom, though, and put a little in to replace it each time you scoop. Once you're confident he's no longer stepping in his mess, you can start making the litter a bit deeper.

    JCat has it correct; you're away all day, kitty's in a smallish boring room... kitty decides to nap the day away. You get home, and all hell breaks loose. Of course!! Kitty's excited to have his only playmate back at home!

    When you arrive home, let kitty out and devote about 10 minutes to saying hi, petting him, tossing a toy several times so he can race across the room and run out some of his excited energy. (A tightly crumpled piece of writing paper does nicely for this exercise.) About an hour before bedtime, go ahead with another brief play session, maybe 10-15 minutes. Then let him wind down a bit. Right before bed, feed a tablespoon of wet food. (A full tummy helps encourage sleep.)

    As far as the mess and allergies are concerned, there are several good approaches to take.

    First, don't play with him with your hands - at all. Use your hand to hold a stick or wand with a toy at the end (on a stick or tied on with a string). Use your hands for tossing a toy or a treat. But it's really crucial to not allow him to play with your hands like a toy.

    Second, if he scratches you, be sure to clean the scratch thoroughly with soap & water immediately, while still bleeding. Dab on a little triple antibiotic ointment when you're done.

    Third, both to help with allergies and to help with mess, if he steps in his poop, as soon as he's done in the litterbox, stop & bathe him. (Make sure you have lots of bath towels for this task; a second-hand clothing store may have some. At his age, hand towels are plenty big enough.) I find it easiest to bathe my kitties using a tiny amount of simple human shampoo in the kitchen sink (which has a sprayer attachment). No water standing in the sink, and nothing but warm water gently sprayed over the kitty. He should have all 4 paws on the bottom of the sink; you can restrain him by the scruff if necessary, but if you do so, make sure all 4 are on the bottom of the sink.

    Immediately following a thorough rinse, scoop him up in a towel, grab one more towel, and find your favorite comfy spot to sit. Cuddle with him, gently massaging him with the towel, and rubbing his forehead directionally from the upper nose toward the top of his head. Tell him what a good kitty he was (even if he was a terror). Swap out for the second towel once the first towel is a bit damp. Continue until he's very dry, give him a cat treat or two while he's still in the towel, then set him down.

    Cats can actually learn to look forward to regular bathing, provided it's immediately followed with enough positive reinforcement. More than that, regular bathing (say every two weeks) will dramatically cut down on shedding and allergens. I have a friend who adopted 3 kittens from me; she bathes them all every other week, and they actually look forward to it! They get jealous if only one cat gets bathed that night (I'm not kidding). The friend has asthma, and has absolutely no allergy problems with her cats.

    Reducing other allergens can also help. Hardwood floors with area rugs instead of wall-to-wall carpeting, blinds instead of drapes, a dust-mite-proof mattress cover and pillow covers... they all help.

    And please try to be patient. Your kitty has lots of energy and no other playmates. If he were in the wild, he'd be wearing himself out several times a day with his littermates. I recommend a Cat Dancer toy if you really want to wear him out; it's inexpensive and lots of fun. Try not to compare him to other kitties you've had; he may not become cuddly and lap-seeking ever. Or at least not until he's grown through some of his kittenhood.

    Good luck! He sounds adorable; I'd love to see a photo!

    Posted 3 years ago by anncetera2 #

  7. Welcome Cros15!!! Anncetera covered all the good advice so I just want to welcome you and say "When can we see pictures of your kitty?"

    Posted 3 years ago by 2bpurring #

  8. NO MILK! That will give him diarrhea by itself! The change in diet will most likely do it too, but that should resolve itself in a few days.

    Posted 3 years ago by Sheba's Mom in Phoenix, AZ 10/8 #

  9. Cros15, try to not switch between different foods as that'll upset his stomach. Also, you may want to mix some rice in with the wet food as that'll firm up his stool some.
    When my Milo used to make a mess in the litterbox and on himself, I got moist kitty wipes to clean him off with. It's still nasty, but it's a lot easier!
    Best of luck and welcome to TDK!

    Posted 3 years ago by GreatDane #

  10. welcome Cros15! Your baby is very cute,it looks like you have been given some good advice so I will just welcome you to TDK. There are many very nice people here from all over. Stay and chat awhile sometime,we have the cafe in the morning and night shift at night.

    Posted 3 years ago by Buttercup #

  11. There are excellent suggestions here but I would like to add my two cents. I discovered a long time ago that if I wanted to bathe a cat the easiest way was to put it an empty kitchen sink (as Ann says with all fours firmly planted) and gradually add the warm water. If it is done gradually it isn't as much as a shock to them. The first couple of times I would just put a little bit in to get it wet, maybe an inch deep. You really don't need much to scoop the water in your hand and wet it where it needs to be cleaned. My cats hate the spray and the noise it makes so you may have to experiment with that. Just make sure after you bathe him that he keeps warm.

    Also, please no milk. Cats and milk are an old wives tail. The KMR is really meant to be given to young nursing kittens who have lost their mother or need the suppliment. Make sure there is always water put down. Some kittens have a difficult time finding water because they can't see it and don't understand so you can add a drop or two of food coloring in it.

    I read an interesting story last week about a cat who was an indoor/outdoor cat. It was 9 years old and for some reason the owner recently discovered it loved milk so started feeding it milk everyday the last month or so. She noticed it was losing weight yet it seemed healthy. She took it to the vet only to discover the cat was totally dehydrated. What she said was happening is that although the cat did get an allergic reaction to the milk and had diarrhea, she never noticed because she sent it outside to do its business. The vet told her that if she had not brought it in when she did it would not have lasted another 2 days.

    Good luck. Pictures soon please. We all love kitty pictures.

    Posted 3 years ago by petpntr #

  12. thanks for the info guys! really appreciated! pic is now updated!

    well his poop hasnt been runny, but it hasnt been very firm either, i guess the problem is i have been giving him milk, quite abit actually, as in id give him half a can of cat food at night and half a bowl of milk, then in the morning it would all be gone.

    before id leave id give him enough dry cat food to last the day and also water, i didnt know if he was drinking the water but i saw him drink it the other day, as for the milk, yes it is the kitten special milk.

    so you all think that no milk at all? also, from what im reading i should cut down on the wet canned food also?

    he was really good yesterday afternoon, i got home, sratched him on the chin abit and ran in the shower, he didnt shut up untill i came out, got changed, went to my bed and he jumped up and fell asleep on my lap! just stayed there for a hour then back to the usual... but my god, he did about 7 poops yesterday, all fine, then the last one before bed he stepped in and dragged it EVERYWERE with him.. i spent 45 minutes cleaning up his mess and as much as i could from him also!

    i found that yeah, if i grab him by the scruff of his neck, i guess he thinks im mum because he starts purring right away and is very relaxed opposed to if i scoop him from underneath.

    i cleaned up most of his legs, but i think i missed abit, im gonna have to take everyones advice, and buy some baby wipes to help clean his mess.

    will he clean himself also, if he has his mess on him, or will he wait for me to do it? i think he trys his best to clean himself, he alwaus cleans his front and back paws, but he cant seem to reach his behind or the top of his hind legs!

    anyway chat to you guys later im late for work!

    Posted 3 years ago by cros15 #

  13. I have two very healthy adult cats and I leave dry food out for them all day then feed them 1/2 a small can of food twice a day. So that means they are getting 1 small can each every day. However, they are adults. Kittens need to be fed more often but smaller quantities. If he went to the bathroom 7 times yesterday his stomach hasn't settled yet. That is way too many times. As you get his schedule and food regulated without the milk, you will see that he becomes more regular and not so messy.

    Posted 3 years ago by petpntr #

  14. mmm cheers for the advice guys, as a kitten, how often should he be going to the toilet?

    so dont give him milk at all? stick to the water?

    Posted 3 years ago by cros15 #

  15. Hi Cros15, welcome to the madhouse. I'm another of your neighbours across the ditch. TDK is a great place for kitty advice or just chatting with like minded people, we all have a great deal of fun here. Once kitty has settled into his food you can give him a little bit of milk. Whiskas, make a "cat milk" and there is another brand that I'm sure you will be able to get there, but I can't remember what it is at the moment. One of them is manufactured in Tasmania. Don't know if I read past it or not but have you named the little live wire yet?

    Posted 3 years ago by Moonshadow_NZ #

  16. yeah moonshadow i did, his name is simba! cause he is my little lion!

    the "breeder" so to speak... well... the crazy cat woman i got him off named him axis... as said he was starting to respond to that name, but nah.. he is simba...

    he doesnt listen to when i call him... how long will it take him to learn his name? or would he be already accustomed to the other name? he is 9 weeks old now...

    he is settling in real nicely now, its day 4 since i picked him up, and already he crys and crys and crys for me... whenever we lock him in the hallway he stays at the bedroom door and just cries, my wife tells me to ignore him but i crack, and open the door, he promptly scurries up into the bed and curls up into a ball in my lap and falls asleep.... the wife isnt really impressed because i have a new favourite....

    the wife is now bumped down to 3rd spot,

    1. car
    2. cat
    3. wife....

    she isnt happy about it...... =D

    Posted 3 years ago by cros15 #

  17. LOL here Cros15, poor wife. I totally sympathise with her. I think I'm at 3rd place too after hubbys favourite snooker cue and Shadz(Moonshadow the cat) . I'm glad Simba is settling in now. Keep using his name when you are playing and talking to him and reward him with cuddles and praise when he starts to learn it. Some of the other TDKers will be able to help you with the bed time query better than I can. They should start appearing here soon as day arrives on the east coast of the States. Nearly midnight here and I'm heading off to get some shut eye.

    Posted 3 years ago by Moonshadow_NZ #

  18. Eek, Cros15, I have been calling you Simba's 'Mama' -- sorry 'bout that, we are mostly crazy cat ladies here so I assumed you were one too!

    You have come to the wrong place if you want someone to tell you how to keep Simba off your bed, we LOVE sleeping with our kitties. Although they always do seem to get the most amount of space and duvet, they sort of spread...

    I sympathise with your partner too, I really think you better bump car down to number three spot and make cat and wife first equal, lol...

    Posted 3 years ago by jcat #

  19. Welcome CROS15!! Little Simba sounds like a handful; but you just have to love kitties with a bit of spunk!
    You've gotten some great advice from the above posters; as a frequent giver of the "butt-bath" myself, I've found it helpful to put a washcloth or small hand towel in the bottom of the sink for kitty to stand on...(Buster used to freak out a bit if his feet started slipping around on the sink)
    Enjoy his kittenhood!

    Posted 3 years ago by sullis #

  20. Welcome, Cros15! Sounds like you have your hands full with the little fluff ball. You are doing well. The advice given should help you and your little one along. I agree with Jcat, car #3, share wife and kitty!

    Posted 3 years ago by Lynn from PA 6/8 #

  21. To get him used to his name, the quickest way to do that is to not leave down food for him all the time. You'd want to feed him 3 or 4 times per day, and put down only as much as he'll eat in about 15 minutes. (If there's any left over, pick it up.)

    Right before feeding, call his name. When he comes, he's responding to the food, but that's okay. Tell him he's a good Simba, and put the food down. Pet him once more and tell him he's good Simba, then let him finish.

    Also, if he cries and you decide to let him in, call back with his name. He'll have his name figured out in no time!

    Posted 3 years ago by anncetera2 #

  22. Welcome Cros15!! Altho a woman myself, I adore your sense of humor with the priority list. I have 8 indoor kits of various ages (all rescues that weren't found furever homes) & 6 more outdoor ferals that call me mom.
    It's refreshing to read of a man so into all the details of taking care of kitties. The male half of this household holds the same position as wife there. lol.

    Posted 3 years ago by feral #

  23. Hi Cros15 (& Simba!), welcome to TDK Chat! Your priorities sound like my husbands :

    Football
    Cats (all four of 'em)
    Me

    I know my place!! My the cats are my #1, so can't really complain!!

    Posted 3 years ago by MadcatwomanintheUK #

  24. I am having the EXACT SAME PROBLEM with my 9 week old kitten! I change her litter CONSTANTLY but she steps in it as soon as she goes (and it's diarrhea everytime), then I have to bathe her. It's disgusting and I don't know what to do. She freaks out everytime I bathe her, even though I always wrap her in a towel and snuggle her after. I offer her treats, but she doesn't like them, and I've tried several kinds. I brought her to the vet yesterday and she has me feeding her Purina Pro Plan Chicken and Rice kitten food... hopefully this will help, although it hasn't yet. She also gave me Albon, de-worming medication, just in case. I feel like this will never stop and it's driving me crazy!! I'm exhausted!! Help!!

    Posted 2 years ago by Alyss #

  25. Once the diarrhea is cleareed it will be much better... Did the vet take a fecal for testing? And you do know that cows milk is not good for kittens, right? Nice clean water is all they need. PS - go SOXS! Not form Boston, but I always root for them, especially against the Yanks!

    Posted 2 years ago by nawlins catmom #

  26. The vet got a tiny bit but I have to bring another one tomorrow. I don't feed her milk, just water. I can't stand this anymore, she literally just pooped on my rug and didn't even notice because it just leaks at this point. Is this ever gonna stop????? I'm going nuts!!!

    SOX are the best : )

    Posted 2 years ago by Alyss #


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