Tell me LV, since you think your comments would get someone riled up and you posted them anyway is that what you are hoping will happen?
Why am I getting the feeling that I am being baited here?
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Nope no baiting Petpntr! But I realize continuing the topic might rile! But everyone has an opion and the right o share it! I was merely stating I know some wont agree with me on this topic and some are more dedicated to their beliefs and that is as it should be! We need those who educate on an issue but we also need to remember what we believe not all others do! I know I could never ever de claw my maxie or any other kitty I get! To me it is unneccessary and can cause other behavior and aggression issues. I have so many scrapes and scars on my arms and legs and shoulders from my maxie and they were never made in agression! Some were simple from him diging in to spring or jump, so were for balance some I got becuase it was my instinct to cathc him when he was falling off the bed and I knew better then to do so!
Petpntr I never bait and if I did it has only been towards one person and since that last time and getting my head taken off for it I have decided to stya nuetral as much as possible! Which is why instead of saying de-clawinf is wrong I am trying to turn the cheek and understand it is wrong for me but others have rerasons for considering it as useful in some way!
I am sorry if you think I am baiting it was not my intention!
Posted 3 years ago by Momma to 2 MaineCoons #
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Declawing a cat is a very personal decision and one that shouldn't be discussed here as I recall the last time this was discussed, we lost 1-2 TDKers who no longer post on here. I personally will not declaw a cat but that is only my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and even if I don't agree with them, I don't tell them their opinion is wrong or belittle them. I learned this fron a family member who loves to force their opinion on everyone and will belittle other's opinions if they don't agree with theirs.
Posted 3 years ago by SylMiaFelixsMomma #
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I agree some subjects should be off limits because they're such hot button issues,I think this subject has been well handled so far with everyone realizing it is a serious but personal issue.
I just don't want to see anyone get upset here,I have lost good friends here before from what were misunderstandings due to the limitations of this media.
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Petpntr I have to wonder why you thing LV is baiting you? I mean really you know about baiting. After all I was trying to take a tragedy in my life and make sure it didn't occur to any of my friends. The loss of a child is devistating. You used the thread to make comments to a VERY PROUD MILITARY WIFE about the senselessness of the war. You have the right to hate the war and people involved all you want. Do you really think it wasn't baiting to put your political opinions on that particular thread? You could have started a thread and bashed away at the military. Instead you used a thread of someone who is a military wife who just had a dear friend lose her son in a tragic accident.
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I agree SMM and BC! It was what I was trying to get across but it appears my wording wasn't the best!
So i apologize if I gave any offense if was never my intention! I was merely trying to say to each their own and that some individuals hold strongly to their opinions which isn't a bad thing at all! It is jsut a fact of human nature!
Posted 3 years ago by Momma to 2 MaineCoons #
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I think it would be socially wiser to shut up and forget this discussion. But declawing raises emotions for reason: it really is mutilating cats for human convenience. And I firmly believe no piece of furniture is worth the health of a living thing. And there are even humane options for those who so appreciate their beautiful homes!!!
I live in a country which has pretty good animal protection laws: declawing is forbidden as an inhumane act. God help me but I think declawing is a cruel remnant from darker ages and the USA is dragging behind animal protection wise.
I also think this discussion is one of the most important ones ever held here. What ever your opinion is I hope it makes you think what is important to you and what you are willing to do with your 'property'.
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Gee Miu I guess I should have just kept getting Teaser stitched up or had Deuter put down. I did what I thought was best and it had nothing to do with furniture. This is exactly what I was talking about. You are labeling those trying their best as mutilators. Sorry I just don't live up to your standards.
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yikes okay! Getting out bomb gear and supplies! I have a feelign a roof is gonna get dropped here!
Let's jsut leave it at to each their own and be grateful for knowing what our personal believe is on this matter!
Posted 3 years ago by Momma to 2 MaineCoons #
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SoxMom you have me at a disadvantage. I don't remember ever bashing the military or saying anything to someone who may have lost a child. I looked in your profile and my profile and can't find the thread you are referring to. It is obvious that you have been holding onto this resentment and I am sorry for that. I lost my only son 8 years ago and I am the last person who would ever diminish the devastation that comes with losing a child. If I upset you over this than I am truly sorry and I wish you had contacted me so we could have straightened this out. Obviously there is a misunderstanding here although I don't know what it is. If you would please let me know which post you are referring to I will deal with it as best I can. It is not good for anyone to hold such strong feelings back and I wish you had unburdened yourself of them before now. Hopefully I will have some reasonable explanation for what you think you interpreted. As for the military I am in Canada. Your military doesn't really effect me much nor do I have any opinion of them except that they are wonderful humans who are sacrificing themselves everyday and deserve to be honored. I would never in my life trash the military neither yours, nor mine.
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http://www.dailykitten.com/chat/topic/12946
Tuesday night--the day Wesley died.
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SM: I am not looking down on you. Soft paws might have been a solution for you too but that's now second guessing. I think there are good laws and bad laws and a law which forbids unnecessary pain inflicting operations is a good law.
I also think bull fights and dog fights are animal abuse. Do I have a right to say so because they don't affect me personally and because they are an esteemed part of culture in some areas?
PS. Declawing an animal to protect another animal is in my books doing something bad for the greater good. If I had been in that situation I would have looked hard for a better alternative. But I understand that you chose the option offered by a vet because you considered it as lesser evil.
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No you can say whatever your heart desires to include calling me names apparently. I am just suppose to sit here and continue to take it from you. I got it you think it is wrong you don't agree with declawing you think it a crime and therefore have labeled me a criminal. It must be great to have the ability to continue to judge. Buttercup I understand what you are saying. Last time I was attacked and the same things were said
mutilator law breaker criminal animal abuser
I kept my mouth shut and just cried that people I thought could not like what I did but could at least not go on with the horrid names. Ange and Ale seemed to be able to disagree but they didn't say cruel things. Why is it that I need to just roll over and keep taking it. I get it I am abusive because I declawed my cat. THANKS!
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"It's bad enough to hear about losing our soldiers fighting in a stupid war. That to me is very tragic but to lose a life which could have been avoided is not only tragic but just such a waste that served no purpose whatsoever. What a horrible way to start the new year. I am sorry for your friend SM. How very, very sad"
O.K. Soxmom I remember this. Let me first explain why I said what I did. I thought this was such a tragic death especially for such a young person that I had tears running down my face when I read it. I started to say exactly that about the tragedy of losing a young person so senselessly. It occurred to me just before I posted that someone may take exception who had a child in the forces who was also young and could be killed. Since I know we have at least one mother of a soldier here I was trying not to offend anyone. Obviously it didn't come out that way.
My thoughts were that being killed in a stupid war (which is where we hear of most young lives being lost) is horrific but it is at least for a cause. Getting killed by a drunk driver is equally horrific but there is no purpose served and absolutely no one benefs from it. It was a terrible tragic event and there is no way on God's green earth that I meant to diminish the importance of that and I am so sorry that is the way it came across.
It is unfortunate that on the internet we don't have the luxury of seeing facial expressions or reading body language so typed words can be misinterpreted. Again SM I apologize for hurting your feelings. I hope you will accept my explanation and my apology.
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Oh SM breathe! You did what you felt was in the best interest of your babies! I have to agree allowing teaser to be hurt would be irresponsible and to givve up deuter to a shelter where death was the most likely opttion would have been cruel! You used the best choice and judgement you could! And I did say YOU! e can not make choices for others and if there is a valid reason well then we should not judge! Hell even if there hadn't been a good reason it is still not our place to judge the actions and reasons or even opinions of others! Whats good for one person is not always good for all!
Posted 3 years ago by Momma to 2 MaineCoons #
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Miu you have made the attack on an American. I am the one you are calling a crinimal. You are discussion mutilation and will not stop condemning and crtisizing and I am just suppose to sit hear and take it. I took it from you last time. I am sick of taking it from you. You disagree I think we all got that. Do not think for a minute that when you attack my decision you are not making it personal. It is personal. I am a real living human being on this computer. It is me you are attacking. It is personal.
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SM: Please, read my posts again. I didn't say you were a criminal. I said that declawing is illegal in many countries, including mine.
Animal abuse is extremely important to me. And I have strong opinions about it. I do have a right to discuss it here if Kittenmaster will allow it. I don't want to label you with any labels, I tried to say there are other practices outside the USA and sometimes they are better than yours.
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You are attacking the laws that we use. I already made comment to the fact it is illegal in other countries. You say it isn't personal and I am telling you as the PERSON you are talking to it is personal. You have labeled those that declaw as abusive. I declawed my cat therefore you have labeled ME as abusive. You don't like the fact that there is now a voice or a specific person that you are attacking with your opinion. I am a person. I am the one you are attacking. You can hate all you want but make no mistake there are people involved. I am a person. You state that it is abusive to declaw. I declawed therefore you are labeling me the abuser of my cat. You are judging and labeling and the one you are doing it to is me.
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I think a group hug is in order...(((((TDK)))))
Posted 3 years ago by Tigerlilly #
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SM: We are now way passed the stage where we talked whether declawing is acceptable or not. If it pleases you I can say you are an animal abuser. Do you feel better now?
What I meant is what I said: I think you chose the lesser of two evils. I don't know what I would have done in your place but I am sure neither of us took it lightly.
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This is insane. I think people need to take the time to read posts and understand them properly before they make accusations and/or jump on those who wrote them. Miu didn't say anything she didn't believe in or outrageous and she did not direct her comments at anyone personally. It is the readers choice to take any comments made in a public form personally or not. I am a Canadian. People hate that there are seals being slaughtered in Canada. I hate that seals are being slaughtered in Canada so if someone hates the laws that allow it I certainly don't take that to mean they hate me too.
I am out of here.
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Everyone: I've just read through this thread an it really saddens me what's happening here. When you post on TDK I ask that you avoid contentious issues and don't direct abuse at other members of the community, and this thread is full of both. I don't care who's right and who's wrong, but I would ask you to stop. You know that I set up TDK as a haven from the sort of behaviour you'll find on many other forums, and it disappoints me to see people abusing this trust. If you don't think you can adhere to the simple posting guidelines, then perhaps you'd be better off finding another community. Let's face it, it's incredibly unlikely that debates related to de-clawing or war or gay marriage or whatever are going to settled here, or anyone' minds changed, so I'd really rather you didn't raise the issues in the first place - and if you really want to, there are plenty of other, more appropriate sites.
Thanks for reading. Keep it fluffy, or go elsewhere.
Posted 3 years ago by The Kittenmaster #
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