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   The animal abuse discussion a few days ago made me think hard about my values and beliefs. The conclusion is I leave this forum. The reason is that in my books animal abuse, approving it and enabling it outweigh the friendships I thought I had here. If you need more explanations read this http://www.uncaged.co.uk/declarat.htm and Matthew 25:40 (The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.')

   Please, remove me from your mailing lists. I wish long age and welfare to you and your fuzzes.

   Posted 3 years ago by miu #

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   Miu, don't. You will leave a hole in TDK. I already have a hole in my heart and home from losing Tessie. You make me cry more

   Posted 3 years ago by Cat talk rules #

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   Miu, please don't leave :(

   I'm crying, too, Sandi.

   Posted 3 years ago by GreatDane #

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   Miu, please don't leave!

   Posted 3 years ago by BCAMflorida227 #

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   Miu I sent you an email earlier today. I hope you have had an opportunity to read it. Please, please don't do this.

   Posted 3 years ago by petpntr #

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   Ok, I just snuck on my sisters computer here in FL. Can someone please, please, please tell me why Miu is leaving. I am lost.

   Posted 3 years ago by daisy mew #

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   There are people in my blood family that I disagree with on serious issues but I love them more than anything. I can't change them and they can't change me but we can't stop being family.

   Posted 3 years ago by Cat talk rules #

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   Miu, I am so sorry but I simply cannot accept this. You know, and I know, how much TDK means to you. Do not let a disagreement drive you from this family. There are disagreements always amongst people. We cannot dictate our beliefs, even amongst our blood family. But that does not keep us apart. You will NEVER find a community, or a group of people, who agree 100% with you on everything. Never. It is not human nature. We were given brains to think and we use them. Do we always agree - NOT EVEN! Ever! (Just ask Americans!!!) But does that keep us apart? NO.

   The discussion that you refer to was not about animal abuse. It was about the way that we handle our own situations. You know, and I know, that there is not one single person in this community that approves of animal abuse. The discussion was not about that, and that's why that particular topic is banned in many on-line groups. It is volatile. Many topics are volatile. Gosh, if Americans felt that we all had to agree on every single issue, our country would have imploded years and years ago.

   There is room to think and for disagreement. What we cannot do is to think that all must believe what we believe. That will never happen. My sister and I disagree on so many things but she is always my sister and I will always love her. It is the same thing here.

   Again, I am sorry. But I simply do not accept your note. Come back.

   Posted 3 years ago by WillowandWindismom #

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   I'm so sad to see you go, Miu. I hope you will reconsider. There are so many things we have in common and we have such a wonderful history together. Who knows what name Abbigail Reece Barker would have without your input! :) You still have friends here.

   Posted 3 years ago by Kitten Whisperer #

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    No, I will not accept that we say that we will let Miu go. Not without a fight. And, Miu - you know that I was in the Army. If there's one thing I know, it's how to fight.

    Posted 3 years ago by WillowandWindismom #

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    Please someone tell me what's wrong. Miu don't leave.

    Posted 3 years ago by daisy mew #

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    DM if you look back in the Purrs section for the thread Aggression you will have your answers there.

    Posted 3 years ago by petpntr #

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    Miu, you and SM were two people who really helped me get through losing my Tessie. I can't bear to see such a disagreement between the two of you. I have enough pain in my life right now, please don't

    Posted 3 years ago by Cat talk rules #

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    I love you Miu, but people don't always have the same opinions on 'hot topics'. I don't know what your stance is on abortion, gay marriage, the death penalty, or many other contensious issues, and I'm sure that all of us feel differently on all of these issues. However, if you're searching for the perfect community where others think/feel the same way that you do on every issue, please let me know where that utopia exists. The kittenmaster doesn't want issues like declawing discussed, you continued to discuss it, and don't like what others had to say. Maybe there's a reason he didn't want it discussed? I hope you will reconsider after you've had some time to cool down. You are loved here and your absence will be missed if you choose to leave.

    Posted 3 years ago by FondaHonda #

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    Miu, please, please don't go. TDK will be a poorer place if you are not here.

    I understand your principles but I truly feel that a loving example of those principles in action -- as Mother Teresa always said -- can get a message far further and change more hearts than words and arguments, which can cause so much hurt. I do believe that's what the New Testament is all about. If you go, all of us lose a loving example and someone we care about greatly.

    Posted 3 years ago by jcat #

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    I think that the broader issue is that we allow ourselves the right to agree to disagree at times. The answer, to me, is never to run. If we run from every disagreement, we will spend our lives in flight. At this point, my objective is that people on TDK understand that. We need to find a way to stop the continual, "I'm leaving" stream and find a way to be rational human beings, because I think that is what we are.

    Posted 3 years ago by WillowandWindismom #

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    I've always thought that if I chose to leave TDK that I would be hurting myself a hell of a lot more than anyone else. So, what good would that do me? So, peeps, I'm here to stay. ;) Whether we agree, or disagree, I love you all too much to leave.

    Posted 3 years ago by FondaHonda #

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    I hate to drop out now but I also owe time to my husband. And so I will sign off for tonight.

    But not before asking that we all use our common sense, our rational thought processes and our love for each other. There was a disagreement. Life is full of them. Try to think of one single day that you haven't encountered disagreement. You cannot run unless you chose to run from life itself.

    Miu, you are a bright woman. You know what your friendships here have meant. Do not throw that away in haste or in the heat of emotion. I think that I know you better than that.

    Posted 3 years ago by WillowandWindismom #

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    Oh, no, miu. I'm so sad to see you go, too. I don't know the story here, but I sincerely hope you will reconsider your decision.

    Posted 3 years ago by artistabobbi TX 1/17 #

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    I'm sure that we can find many reasons to divide us, but I ask that we look at all the wonderful reasons we have formed such a loving family. WMM listed them in her thread about the new year. If we can't maintain relationships with those who have different values or opinions, we won't have any relationships at all.

    I'm glad you had a chance to think about your values on de-clawing, Miu. No one is asking you to change them. You are not forsaking your values by staying in the TDK family. There is room for everyone here. Please stay.

    (Don't make us break out the ninja costumes and the whack bonk sticks! ;)

    Posted 3 years ago by Kitten Whisperer #

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    Miu, I will miss you very, very much if you go. What KW said.

    Posted 3 years ago by jcat #

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    Please don't leave, Miu!

    Posted 3 years ago by Cats4Cats #

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    God help me I hope I am not going to be sorry for posting this but I really feel the need to address the comment you made FH. You said
    "The kittenmaster doesn't want issues like declawing discussed, you continued to discuss it, and don't like what others had to say"
    That is unfair. Miu did not keep the conversation going. Miu kept defending herself. In fact the whole subject was dying a natural, civil death until someone else stirred it up again. So please, don't blame Miu for continuing a contentious debate when in fact she was only trying to explain herself. She did not point fingers or make it personal.

    Please do not view this as a challenge and I certainly do not want my comments to turn into another discussion of the same tone we are trying to correct. I will not comment any further about this as I do not wish to add to the unhappiness which has seeped into this group. Having said that however fair is fair and since Miu isn't standing up for herself I felt someone should.

    Posted 3 years ago by petpntr #

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    don't leave miu !! i don't understand why you want to leave, reconsider... we can work this out.. please !! i will miss you !!

    Posted 3 years ago by beth #

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    Point taken, PTPR. I only addressed Miu because she's the one who started this thread.

    Posted 3 years ago by FondaHonda #

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    *reads Miu's post then goes back to read the thread where the discussion about declawing took place.... shakes her head and sighs heavily*

    After all we have been through here I thought we all had learned how to deal with arguments like adults by now. Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to attack anybody for the de-claw debate or anything, it's basically what FH and WWM said. We need to learn to deal with disagreements like rational human beings. If somebody decides to leave because they can't handle the fact that not everybody agrees with them, then it's their choice.

    I understand Miu's stance on de-clawing - that she sees it as animal abuse and she cannot abide by animal abuse. However, one still has to understand that people do things for different reasons and we are not all going to agree with those reasons.

    Still, we are family, and we should stick together whether or not we agree with each other on all issues. It's like I said a few months ago - if I decided to leave every time I disagreed with somebody or got my feelings hurt by something somebody else said, I would have left this group many times by now. But instead of walking away whenever a situation comes up where I feel hurt or offended, I give myself time to cool off and let it go. Family is too important to walk away from over disagreements or hurt feelings.

    I will miss Miu, but I am not going to beg her to stay. She is an adult and has to make her own choices. Hopefully she will cool off, realize what she is missing, and come back. If not well it will not only be a loss to our family, but it will be her loss as well.

    Posted 3 years ago by owlwatcher_974 #

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    (((((((FH)))))))

    Posted 3 years ago by petpntr #

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    Mui, I don't have much of a chance to talk with you, but know you have given advice to me and comfort. I have seen the thread and chosen to stay out of it. But I must echo the posters here who do not want to see you leave our "family". I understand how you feel, and sometimes we put out opinions that are not welcomed. However, your opinion is valued and welcomed. If you really feel you must leave, then you have my prayers and thanks for all the help you have given me. I hope this will not be the case. Please take some time, think about this. You are a very valued member of our group. What a hole you would leave in my life as well as others. Talk care, my friend, I hope to see you soon. Love, Mama Lynn

    Posted 3 years ago by Lynn from PA 6/8 #

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    I will miss you and all the sweet videos and links you posted. Please don't stay away long.

    Posted 3 years ago by caroline #

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    Gotta step in here with this one, for obvious reasons.

    I don't agree with Alicia on EVERY issue. There are some issues we are in 100% opposition. News flash.... We're still married (after 20 years), we still love each other, and respect each other. I'm certainly not going to ask for a divorce and storm off in a huff because of some stupid thing we don't see eye to eye on.

    I don't agree with my employer on EVERY issue, some we are in total disagreement with, most especially politics. We've even argued our cases. News flash.... I'm still employed. I'm certainly not going to quit, or get fired, because of who either one of us voted for.

    I don't agree with ANY of my friends on EVERY issue out there. In fact, I don't have a single friend that I agree with, and am in 100% harmony with. News flash... We're still friends. We still share dinner, we still have a beer together, they're still trusted in my house.

    I don't agree with my mom, or my brother, or my sister on EVERY issue. In fact, we are probably in disagreement more often than not on most of today's toxic subjects. Do the words diabolically opposed mean anything? News flash... We still chat, we still email, we still have pleasant conversations on the phone, and we still love each other... but most important, we respect each other's differences and are adult enough check it at the door.

    People, TDK family, we will NEVER agree with everyone on anything. Ever. Not on this earth anyway.

    Can we just move on, and share our common love of kittens?

    Posted 3 years ago by Karma's Daddy #

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