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UPDATE: Marnet's cat Alice

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  • Started 3 years ago by Marnet
  • Latest reply from CheetahBoysmommy
  1. Thank you everyone for the wonderful feedback, support, prayers, research links, and such. You've been so very kind to me.

    The great news is that Alice does not have anything immediately life threatening such as a bowel obstruction, cancer, of FIP. For that I am profoundly grateful and oh so relieved.

    The sad news is that my precious 7 1/2 year old innocent outlaw imp has diabetes. I didn't catch it as soon as I might have but at least it still got caught fairly early and her condition is not severe. Glucose levels are off in the minor to barely moderate degree and there are no ketones in her urine, which is very good all things considered.

    The vet gave her fluids because she was slightly dehydrated from all the throwing up, gave her a shot to quiet the nausea, sent me home with the type of insulin and syringes calibrated for it appropriate for cats, a small starter batch of both dry and wet D/M diabetic cat food, a ton of instructions and assurances that this is a manageable disease, albeit one I shall have to be quite vigilant about keeping Alice properly fed, medicated, and looked after.

    Right now I'm tired, feeling a bit overwhelmed, and have decided it is enough to just get through tonight and in the morning I'll set about organizing how I'm to manage feeding three different, conflicting, special diets that are polar opposites of each other, and do so on a schedule that feeds Alice and gives her shots 12 hours apart.

    I have to take her back Saturday morning for a glucose check and again early next week. Until her diabetes is under control and stable I'll be making lots of trips to the vet for such checks and to make any necessary adjustments to her insulin dosage. She's being started on a small dose which will gradually be increased.

    Lots of reading to do from the information I was given and several online resources the vet pointed me to. Lots to learn, lots of adjustments both I and the kitties have to gradually make. And once everything is controlled and running smoothly, I'll have to make advance arrangements for someone knowledgeable to come care for the cats in the event I have to be out of town or end up in the hospital or some such.

    So, I now have 3 medical special needs cats out of 4 rather than just 2. Tigger has old age arthritis, chronic renal failure, chronic UTI/bladder/kidney infection no longer responding to any antibiotics and, as of a week ago, heart trouble. He gets arthritis meds in his food and now a heart med I have to pop down him as he eats around it if I put it in his food or a treat, and must eat a low protein diet. Mandi has IBS, has to have the Z/D food with hydrolized protein she can digest, sometimes also needs a daily anti-acid, and is prone to UTI's that need antibiotics fairly often. And now Alice has diabetes, will need two insulin shots each day, and must eat a high protein / low carb diet. So far, please let it remain so, Frisky is healthy except for an occasionally recurring eye infection and can eat anything.

    Guess all that experience with managing elder care and meds for my parents is going to come in handy figuring out how to manage this series of conflicting dietary and med needs for the cats. Nice to know God trusts I can handle this but frankly I'd have been delighted to have a houseful of healthy cats instead. Oh well, I love them and that's what counts.

    Posted 3 years ago by Marnet #

  2. You do have your hands full, Marnet! I'm glad Alice has a managable condition, but you are going to have to be very creative to figure out how to feed these kitties separately! Others on this site have diabetic kitties so there is a wealth of experience and support for you here. I hope you can get some sleep tonight. You've had a rough 24 hours! {{{hugs}}}

    Posted 3 years ago by Kitten Whisperer #

  3. Sounds like you have a lot on your plate, right now.
    But it also sounds like they are in quite capable hands.
    Sending you positive energy for you, and healing energy for the babies.

    Posted 3 years ago by artistabobbi TX 1/17 #

  4. >>>>{{{{Alice and Marnet}}}}<<<< Light and hugs surrounding both of you!

    Posted 3 years ago by DancingCatHill #

  5. [[[Alice & Marnet]]]

    Posted 3 years ago by Buttercup #

  6. So happy to hear Alice will be okay. Get some rest Marnet, you will figure out a schedule. I've known a couple of kitties with diabetes and they lived happy healthy lives. You love them and you're right, that is what counts.{{{HUGS}}}

    Posted 3 years ago by krazikat #

  7. i am so happy alice is okay !! thank heaven !!

    Posted 3 years ago by beth #

  8. Thank you all. I'm off to clean litter trays, give Tig his food and meds, see if Alice will come and snuggle me for the night and get some sleep. If I don't post again for a few days please don't worry and please pardon me. I'm going to have my hands full and may not have the time or inclination to get on the computer.

    I know I'm quite new here and I so appreciate all the support and assistance given by so many of you. Thank you and God bless you each and all.

    Good night. I'll check in again in a few days when I can.

    Posted 3 years ago by Marnet #

  9. Goodnight, Marnet, and good luck with this added challenge. Give Angel a chin scritch from me. Come back here when you can. :)

    Posted 3 years ago by Kitten Whisperer #

  10. Alice ate one little snack followed later by a tiny meal last night and about half a meal this morning. And so far she has kept it all down. Hallelujah.

    She got her first insulin shot after her breakfast a little bit ago. We'll see how she does. I was amazed, she wasn't fazed one bit by the shot. In fact, she acted as if she didn't really even feel it. Wow. The advantages of tiny needles! This may end up working okay. Just got to engineer the separate feedings as soon as I can get her transitioned to her diabetic food and make sure I keep as close to a 12 hour schedule between shots as possible.

    Hey, I spent a decade in full time elder care for my parents. The skills are transferable, so I can make this work. I have to make this work. I love my kitty!

    Soon as the vet opens in a couple hours I do have to call and find out what to do for the ongoing diarrhea. I know I had to give Tigger a tiny dose of Kaopectate a couple of times recently per vet instructions, so perhaps Alice will get that too. But I don't want to assume anything without asking.

    Anyway, back into lurkdom and slave labor for the day. First on the list, changing all the litter trays Alice has made nasty, giving them a good scrubbing out and fresh litter. Oh joy.

    Later alligators. I'm just feeling silly from lack of sleep and wildly swinging moods from despair to effusive hope. Some eventual sleep and reality will find the functioning middle ground.

    Posted 3 years ago by Marnet #

  11. {{Marnet and Alice}}

    Posted 3 years ago by SammyandOliversmama #

  12. Marnet you and all your kitties will remain in my prayers..What a wonderful mama you are to them..

    Posted 3 years ago by 2bpurring #

  13. Alice went back to the vet for a glucose check this morning. It's down from having started at well over 300 to now being 235. The insulin dosage is being slightly increased and we'll check the glucose again in a week. In the meantime, I've been coaxing her to eat and drink as often as possible. She's perking up just a bit and the vet says she will continue to do so, I just need to be patient and vigilant.

    Thanks again everyone for all the support.

    Posted 3 years ago by Marnet #

  14. Headbuts and hugs to Alice. Speedy recovery precious little one.

    Posted 3 years ago by petpntr #

  15. Marnet...it's so good to hear of Alice's improvement. I don't know how you & others give their babies the shots they need. I see a needle within feet of me & become woozy. Closer than that & I pass out. That my be from the fact I use to get shots just under the skin of my head to stop my hair from falling out from Alopecia Areata. So sorry. Maybe that was too much info.

    Anyways...I love the thought of Alice becoming perkier. She's on the road to recovery. Yaaaay. {{{HUGS}}} for all your patience.

    Posted 3 years ago by feral #

  16. I'm so glad that she is starting to see her number come down and that she is starting to perk up. :)

    Keep up the good work, Marnet!! You are an awesome kitty mom!!

    Posted 3 years ago by Kitten Whisperer #

  17. ((Marnet and all your kitties))
    You are all in my thoughts and prayers!!

    Posted 3 years ago by cricketsmama #

  18. Woo Hoo Marnet and Alice, actually the shots probably bother you more than her. My Kinker used to come to me when it was his time to get his and lie down so I could get the loose skin betwn his shoulder blades for the needle. It does take a little bit to adjust to the right level of insulin for her just like it does for hoomins. One tip on the used needles, I would put mine in an old mayonnaise jar or something like that which was glass and had a lid. When it was full, I took it to the vet clinic and they disposed of them for me. That scared me because I didn't want to throw used syringes away and have someone get stuck in a landfill somewhere and I didn't have a Sharps container. Used to buy my syringes @ the Walgreens or Walmart pharmacy, they were very reasonably priced. You are a good meowma to all your special needs babies :)

    Posted 3 years ago by AZDEBRA 5/27 & crew #

  19. That is so wonderful that you are seeing improvement in Alice, Marnet. I had a diabetic kitty that had to have shots for over 7 years. Alice will adapt and really hardly feels the little needle. You're doing a great job!

    Posted 3 years ago by WillowandWindismom #

  20. Thanks everyone. Actually, I'm only scared of hurting her but so far she has only fussed one of three shots so far. I used to give myself allergy shots so am used to the routine even if out of practice. And since I used to help my mom in her later years with checking her diabetic glucose levels, I've asked the vet to get me the equipment and show me how to get the little blood prick sample from Alice.

    I started a log tracking her eating, water intake, tray use, insulin shots and reaction if any, etc. The vet loved it when I took that in with me this morning. Like I said, my experinces with a decade of elder care gave me transferable skills, thank God.

    For probably the next week or so I'll only be checking in here on the board about once a day, so please don't worry about me being somewhat absent.

    Anyway, good wishes to all and may all your kitties, yourselves, and families stay safe and well. God bless.

    Posted 3 years ago by Marnet #

  21. I hope she continues to improve.

    Posted 3 years ago by Pollys_Mum_in_UK_2605 #

  22. Suggestion for keeping food separate.

    When Sneakers was eating kitten food and the others couldn't have it, we would shut in him the guest bathroom for 1/2 with his food. But with three special diet kitties, you would need a lot of spare bathrooms to make that work.

    So, what if you got some large pet crates or carriers? You could put each cat's food (and the cat) into the appropriate carrier for their meals. Even if they were use to 'at-will' all day eating, they would learn fairly quickly that they needed to eat at the prescribed times. It would be labour intensive on your part, but it would keep them from eating each others' food.

    Posted 3 years ago by CheetahBoysmommy #

  23. Marnet, you're doing brilliantly. My old cat Titch was diabetic for a period (yes, it's unusual, but cats CAN suddenly become undiabetic again!), and I remember being amazed at how quickly and easily he took to daily injections.

    One tip you may find useful - I had to test Titch's urine on a regular basis, and found that using fish tank gravel in his tray meant it felt like litter to him, but didn't absorb the liquid, making it easy to use the dip strips I had. The gravel could be reused too, after a good wash out with sterilising fluid!

    Posted 3 years ago by MadcatwomanintheUK #

  24. CBM

    Thanks for the feeding suggestion. I'm busy thinking through how best to either separate them or train them to eat out of only their dish with them placed in different spots under my supervision at feeding time. I'll work it out with some trial and error. (The cats will think it a trial and be sure to let me know my errors! LOL)

    MDW

    Oh wow, I like the fish gravel idea. Hadn't ever thought of that. Bet that's lots easier and less expensive than buying the No-Sorb litter that is black plastic pellets the cats hate. Thank you!

    Alice continues to slowly improve -- better appetite, glucose levels going down, appearing to feel a bit better, bathroom issues improving....generally all positive with a ways to go. She is quite tolerant of the shots. I make sure to be gentle and loving without anything hurried or swooping down on her. I'm making it a love ritual with lots of petting and love talk.

    She still is uncomfortable being picked up or held. I suspect her tummy is still all upset and tender from being so sick out both ends until the insulin , Kaopectate, and gradual change in diet began quieting down her system.

    But she did come and purringly snuggle me on the couch last evening for the first time since Tuesday, so we're making good progress.

    Thank you everyone for all the wonderful suggestions, info, and kind wishes! God bless.

    Posted 3 years ago by Marnet #

  25. Sounds like Alice is improving!

    Marnet, you might also want to keep a jar of honey available. One time I gave our Willie his insulin and for whatever reason, on that day it was too much. He began to show some signs of insulin shock and so I squirted some honey into his mouth, which took care of it.

    Posted 3 years ago by WillowandWindismom #

  26. WW, thank you! The vet mentioned keeping some corn syrup, honey, or maple syrup on hand to rub in the mouth if need be. In all the confusion of everything I'm trying to learn and get on track I'd forgotten that important detail. God bless you for mentioning it!!! I'm off to check the pantry and go to the store right now if need be to have some on hand.

    Posted 3 years ago by Marnet #

  27. Glad to be of assistance Marnet! :o)

    Posted 3 years ago by MadcatwomanintheUK #

  28. Any of those would work, Marnet. I just happened to have honey.

    You should have seen me with my Willie. I would lurk around the litter box waiting for him to pee. When he did, I would hold my test strip out and more than once ended up with pee all over my hands! The gravel sounds like a much better idea!

    Posted 3 years ago by WillowandWindismom #

  29. Hi, Marnet, I'm so glad it's nothing worse than diabetes. My Jasper is diabetic -- he was in remission for a while but he's back on his full dose of insulin again now -- and honestly, he doesn't notice the shots any more, especially as I usually give him his jab while he's eating. I hope your Alice will do as well as my Jasper!

    Posted 3 years ago by jcat #

  30. Wow, Marnet, you definitely have your hands full with three medically challenged kitties. Thinking positive healing thoughts that all works out for you. Healing white light for Alice and your other three cats. Hugs to you. Hope you can get some "me time" in as well.

    Posted 3 years ago by SylMiaFelixMomma #


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