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Kitten dad needing advice! PLEASE HELP!

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  • Started 2 years ago by Ken
  • Latest reply from nawlins catmom
  1. Random question as another feeding has just finished:

    All three's diet has changed every feeding throughout the day. It has increased ever four hours by 1 ml approximately, i know that isn't a lot but i don't understand how before one dosage put them to sleep but four hours later they're wired and begging for more.

    Additionally, is this about the time the colon should start working? As Sam had some solid/ diarrhea this morning and when Alyssa called me (I'm at work, shes feeding) he had "gas and some #2. It sounds like no big deal, but I'd rather be safe than sorry, especially with their hunger increasing and Alyssa and I trying to find a balance of not over feeding.

    As for Nim and the triplets, they are in separate spaces right now, either by apartments or rooms always. I'm hoping he takes to being a big bro, as he is fixed and whomever I keep will be as well.

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  2. Hi, Ken, boy you are doing a great job with these babies!

    Kittens grow at a terrific rate at this stage. Their little tummies are growing as well, so I guess four hours' worth is all their little tummies can hold right now but as their tummies grow each day, they'll be able to take a bit more and hold off till the next meal a bit longer. Does that make sense?

    I wouldn't worry about Sam too much, just keep an eye on him, I'm sure he'll let you know if something abnormal or painful is happening. Just make sure he doesn't get dehydrated, as others have said.

    Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

  3. aww welcome ken!
    i LOVE kittens and id take one but i no longer live with my mom in austin.
    kittens ((at this stage)) grow at an alarming rate so do NOT be suprised if theyre appetite increases..that means youre doing well.
    as for the poop and gas. dont worry too much. if it comes out runny then watch sam and the others to see if it possibly spreads.
    def get nim up to date with his shots.
    do not let any type of cat/kitten get dehydrated..they can go downhill ((especially kittens)) fast.
    would hate for that to happen.
    ive read on here that most foster parents like to keep kittens they have found and find them a good home where they know the kittens will be treated the best.
    you may never know what could happen to kittens if they end up in the wrong home.
    ((and welcome to TDK))

    Posted 2 years ago by Binx.baby #

  4. For now my largest concern is as always, poop. All of them have begun pooping and it seems semi solid upon entrance. Is this normal? Either way i feel i may be taking them to the vet tomorrow.

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  5. A comprehensive poop guide from the kitten care website!

    NORMAL STOOL AND URINE

    Let’s summarize and say: Poop should be brown and formed. Urine should be yellow.

    Guide to the Rainbow of Poop
    and Urine Colors (The Scoop on Poop):

    Color:
    Bloody - Actual red blood seen in stool. Could indicate panleukepenia. Grossly abnormal, must be seen ASAP.
    Mucous - yellowish/white/clear slimy substance. Indicates severe bowel irritation. Grossly abnormal and needs immediate care.
    Black - True dark black color to stool. Usually indicates bleeding high in the bowel. Severe sign, needs immediate attention.
    Brown - Normal color. Be happy!
    Orange - Usually indicates way too much bile in stool, can occur with reflux.Seek medical advice.
    Yellow - Almost always indicates bacterial imbalance in the bowel. If has diarrhea also, usually related to coccidia. Seek medical advice.
    White - Grossly abnormal color, usually indicates, severe bacterial imbalance and severe infection in the bowel. Kitten at risk of dying, needs medical attention, ASAP.

    Consistency:
    Dry/hard - Abnormal, usually indicates dehydration. Seek care, promptly.
    Firm - Normal, be happy.
    Formed but soft - Low range of ‘normal’. If stools change from firm to soft you should seek medical advice.
    Toothpaste - Still has somewhat tubular form but falls apart once touched. Abnormal, needs medication.
    Cow-patty - Never formed but thick enough it falls into a ‘cow-patty’ shape. Abnormal, animal is at significant risk and needs immediate attention.
    Liquidy - Just fluid that falls out of rectum, thin and may have mucous. Abnormal, animal is at severe risk and must be seen immediately.
    The ‘Squirts’ - Animal has no control over bowel and watery fluid squirts out of rectum. Grossly abnormal, animal in danger of dying, must be seen immediately!

    Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

  6. I foster for our local animal control. They pay for all expenses, but I am the caretaker until they are old enough to be adopted. Then they handle adoption. Somewhere around you may have this program, too. This way, a volunteer or staff vet does the exams and you don't have to pay.

    I keep my kittens quarantined from my adults for at least a week, and longer if there is illness in the kittens. As strays, this is often the case. Get your adults caught up on shots if they're going to be in any contact (including sharing water, walking on the same floors, grooming each other, etc.) with the kittens. Vaccinations are way cheaper than illness.

    If your male isn't fixed, get that done so that the males don't start spraying urine to mark their territory. This can get messy and smelly fast!

    Good work! I'm impressed, and you're doing well.

    Posted 2 years ago by FosterMom #

  7. There is a little bit of gas, and I think the smears mostly come from my wiping rather than having actual diarrhea but I think to be safe I'm going to consult a vet. If I don't receive good news I may have to let the professionals handle the rest of their care. Keep you guys updated.

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  8. There is a little bit of gas, and I think the smears mostly come from my wiping rather than having actual diarrhea but I think to be safe I'm going to consult a vet. If I don't receive good news I may have to let the professionals handle the rest of their care. Keep you guys updated.

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  9. There is a little bit of gas, and I think the smears mostly come from my wiping rather than having actual diarrhea but I think to be safe I'm going to consult a vet. If I don't receive good news I may have to let the professionals handle the rest of their care. Keep you guys updated.

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  10. Ken thank you for the catster invite!!! what a wonderful furry family you have. Nimitz is so handsome, I love a big orangie who loves to show off the belly!!! Have you been able to find out any more about getting help with the shots and other vet cared? You might call a local rescue and explain to them your situation. Many rescues get great deals for vet care and shots and I know around here many will help you or pass along coupons to you good at certain vets for shots and having them fixed. The government agencies have less leway and must follow strict guidelines.

    Posted 2 years ago by 2bpurring #

  11. Kudos to you Ken for taking on these kittens! They are adorable. I did a quick search and you may want to contact http://www.fuzzyfriendsrescue.com an animal rescue group in the Waco, TX area. They do fostering so maybe you can become the official foster for these babies and get some assistance.

    Posted 2 years ago by TrufflesMom #

  12. Welcome, Ken! You will get alot of great advice from this site! I hope things work out, you are wonderful to care for those kitts! They are adorable as is Nimitz!

    Posted 2 years ago by katthays #

  13. Your family is beautiful. Thank you for rescuing these babies.
    If you do have to give the kittens up, make sure that you surrender them to a no-kill shelter. Most SPCA organizations that I have dealt with, do euthenize, so be careful.

    Posted 2 years ago by Tigerlilly #

  14. I will only give them up at all if it is to a no-kill shelter.

    I just got back from the Vet, the Veterinarian was out of the office making house calls ( I didn't know they did that!) so I asked my poop questions and stuff with a technician. She was very helpful and said without looking at a sample that they look in great health and it is likely just their colon and intestines maturing which is great news.

    Just keeping everybody posted.

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  15. Thanks, Ken, we appreciate the updates on the little ones. Sounds like you are doing just fine with them. I am glad you are watching after their welfare even if you can't keep them all. You're a good daddy!

    Posted 2 years ago by LadyKat of IA #

  16. I am so relieved that the tech thinks they are normal. You will find yourself very attached to them, after all YOU are the "mommy". It will be hard to give them up. Keep up the good work!

    Posted 2 years ago by Sheba's Mom in Phoenix, AZ 10/8 #

  17. is passing gas when relieving the colon pretty normal for a kitten?

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  18. I don't know about gas and kittens, but I can tell you it's completely normal for a grown cat who is sleeping on your pillow right next to your face. Happens at about 4 AM every morning.

    Seriously, it sounds like these babies are in good hands. Since they did get the benefit of their mother's milk for a few weeks, they should received the benefits of her milk to start with. That helps with their little immune systems.

    You haven't said if you have human kids, as well as furry ones. If you do, then you can equate the increase in food needs to a baby. Just keep in mind that what a human baby does in a year, your kitty babies are going to do in 4 weeks. They grow up incredibility fast.

    Have you been able to find how the mama originally got into the wall space? You'll want to close up access or build a pet door into your wall.

    You said that the babies had some eye problems to start with. In addition to keeping track of their vision, don't forget to have their hearing checked. White cats with blue eyes have a higher incident of deafness than other cats. If little Sam has vision and hearing problems, he will be much better off staying with you. Animals adapt to disabilities much better than most humans, but they have a better life if they don't have the added work of learning a new environment.

    Posted 2 years ago by CheetahBoysmommy #

  19. Their eyes are much cleaner now, the only thing is their eyes have not yet become the usual blue but are more like a black. The vet doesn't seem concerned and I guess it is all normal. If there is anything wrong with any of them such as a disability I do plan to keep the cat.

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  20. More Issues:

    My girlfriend has taken the kittens to Austin because she had weekend plans with her family for her mothers birthday and because I work the night shift at work she took the kittens with her. Princess, according to her has diarrhea, but I'm not 100% sure since I am not there, regardless I urged her if it keeps up to get pedilite. Secondly, My girlfriend is reaching her breaking point. She is angry about me wanting to keep one, has urged me to give them up to a shelter to let "the professionals raise them" and so on. She even tonight acted like she was considering taking them to the SPCA, which isn't so bad but she knows I want to keep Sam.

    I'm not sure how to act, think, or what to feel right now. Can anyone give me some insight? She is right I am neglecting other things right now to care for these three and school does start for summer session in like 2 weeks. Am I truly biting off too much?

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  21. You're asking the wrong people, Ken, because you should know, when it comes to a choice between people and cats, we usually choose cats!

    Seriously, only you and your girlfriend can work these things out. Me, no, I don't think you're biting off too much and in two weeks they're going to be more independent and in a few weeks after that, at 12 weeks, they're going to be ready to go to their new homes. And I totally don't see the problem in keeping one or even two of them, but then I would say that, wouldn't I? And I have no real idea of your schedule and other commitments. Have you sat down and really talked out the commitment you're making right now in terms of time and money and distraction from studies, etc, and whether it's possible for you guys to continue and, if not, if there's someone else in your circle of family, friends and neighbours who could give a hand and/or babysit occasionally? You would need to manage your time sensibly and if you're both working AND studying right now, that might be hard or impossible to do. (On the plus side, it's a good skill to master, as long as there are enough hours in the day to fit everything in.)

    'Letting the professionals raise them' sounds good but in practice, every shelter as well as the SPCA relies on an army of volunteers to foster and hand-rear kittens who don't have their mum -- or even when they do -- because of the four-hourly feeds, because they are susceptible to infections etc in the shelter from other cats and just because it is a much better start for them to start off in a home with a loving eye looking out for them. Hopefully the SPCA or whatever other shelter is in your area will have enough volunteers to foster all the kittens they are responsible for right now but there is a possibility that they may not. I'm not trying to scare you but you should discuss that thoroughly with any shelter you may be thinking of giving them up to. If they get overloaded in kitten season, would the kittens be put down? That would be my very first question and if the answer is yes, I would be looking for, as everyone else says, a no-kill shelter.

    I think the best thing you can do at this point may be to ring round the shelters you may be thinking of taking them too and just find out exactly what the story is with all of them, then visit any shelter you are thinking of taking them to. Go together so you can both see whether you would be happy with this option. I also think any shelter worth its salt will probably try to persuade you to keep raising them because that's three more other kittens they can put their resources towards and save, and because anyone can see how much you care about them. Good luck! Yes, hand-raising kittens is a labour-intensive commitment for at least three months. Yes, you also need to make sure that your studies won't suffer. (It's all good experience for parenthood later on though! And, personally, I just melt when I see a guy caring so much for little helpless animals, it means they're a keeper!)

    Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

  22. Eek, sorry, I didn't mean to ramble on for so long...

    Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

  23. Thanks JCAT, these three mean the world to me. I pray I don't have to decide between the two, because I know one side needs my love and affection more than another.

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  24. Ken, I'm hardly a good person to give relationship advice, but ... just keep talking to each other honestly, be willing to compromise and be kind to each other :) Your girlfriend probably is truly worried about your studies and has your best interests at heart.

    Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

  25. Ok news from Austin after morning feeding:

    - Sam has not defecated in his last two feedings, but he is urinating.
    - Barney has defecated twice in a row in the pet carrier, Alyssa says it is semi diarrhea like.
    - Princess has diarrhea like poop as well, but is not going in the carrier.

    To be safe I've urged Alyssa to get pedialite. She has said that the current feces is slightly more watery than it was before, and before it seemed semi diarrhea like and the vet said it was likely their system just kicking in and slowly maturing. My guess is it is a virus or something like that? Possibly stress from the trip? I'm grasping straws here...

    The cats for the most part have all been active and normal behavior (minus the accident in the cage which has happened once before (Sam did it.) It seems like the fecal matter shows bad things but the kittens behavior is all plus signs.

    I don't expect any for sure "this is what is wrong" answers, but anyone who's seen this or advice is helpful. Is the pedialite until I get to Austin on Sunday good enough? I've told Alyssa if she becomes concerned go to the vet and ill cover the costs. Any idea's anyone?

    Posted 2 years ago by Ken #

  26. Ken, it sounds like you are doing everything that you should. The kittens are very probably stressed from the trip in the carrier. It was years before my Jasper -- a fully grown cat -- stopped having 'accidents' in his carrier on the five-minute trip to the vet, because he got stressed out.

    If the kittens' behaviour is all plus signs, plus with the vet's comment, then I would keep on doing just what you guys are doing -- have pedialyte on hand, keep a close eye on them, and call the vet if any of them gets listless, shows bad signs, goes off their food or stops being bright and playful.

    Alyssa can test for dehydration (see kitten care websites) by doing the 'tent' test, lift up a fold of skin and let go, if it goes straight back down immediately, they're all right, if the skin slowly goes back, they might be getting a bit on the dehydrated side, if it 'tents' and stays up, then they're dehydrated. Hope others have some more advice.

    Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

  27. Hey KEN....I am in Austin! So if you need any help let me know! my email is olga.hall@gmail.com . Plus, I am raising a 5 week old kitten myself....On the Girlfriend front, I will I could offer some advice but when hubby and I were dating... I told him that my cat was part of the package...thank goodness that he liked my cat....If you need anything let me know....

    Posted 2 years ago by opahall #

  28. Just checking in on you Ken, I will be praying for you and the kitties over this long weekend and hope your girlfriend realizes that the same characteristics that make you so special to her are what drives you to care for these little creatures...

    Posted 2 years ago by 2bpurring #

  29. well said 2B!!!!!

    Posted 2 years ago by opahall #

  30. Ken - it is a big committment to raise kittens, but in two weeks they will be much bigger, and more "independent" (sort of...). I would wiat and see... seh may be a little jealous of the attnetion you are giving the kits, and unwilling to express those feelings openly...

    Posted 2 years ago by nawlins catmom #


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