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Third time around

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  1. At my last support group meeting at the DVPA, one of the group members gave me the name and contact info for yet another attorney. I e-mailed him yesterday, and he e-mailed me back inviting me to call and schedule a free consultation. I did, and he gave me an appointment for tomorrow. That kind of surprised me. He also answered his own telephone, which I've never encountered before. He was admitted to the bar exactly 22 days after I got married, so he must still be fairly young. He said in his e-mail that he's been getting a lot of cases from the DVPA lately.

    Things aren't looking promising with my conditions for Mr. L. The mental health agency appt. is still to come on the 31st; the clearing of the room for the TV to be moved is now scheduled for the last week in July. He HAD an appointment with his therapist for this evening--and cancelled it yesterday morning; a tremendous argument followed. He has now provisionally scheduled an appt. for 6:00 on Thursday of next week, exactly when my meeting at the DVPA is held. He left the therapist a message telling her to call ME to reschedule it. If it can't be rescheduled, I'll drop him there at 5:30 and pick him up at 8:30. He can walk up the road to a nearby coffehouse and wait for me there. The appointment is being scheduled in advance of his next dental surgery--5 more teeth out on the 16th. He got the funds for it through the church, again.

    Posted 2 years ago by Leeny #

  2. hang in there leeny! This is a long process, but you are handling well. I will pray that the new attorney will be able to help you..

    Posted 2 years ago by 2bpurring #

  3. Prayers as always Leeny. [[[[Hugs]]]

    Posted 2 years ago by Buttercup #

  4. (((Leeny)))

    Posted 2 years ago by KYKAT 12 23 #

  5. Sending you more prayers Leeny. One thing, be careful of attorneys who answer their own phones. Make sure he has a legitimate office setup. Ask about how many of his clients have gone to trial and how many he has won. I mention this only because of my incompetent divorce lawyer (the first one) who didn't have an office but borrowed from a law firm he did work for and so no staff or legal assistant and the law office wouldn't take messages for him. I had a very hard time getting a hold of the guy through phone or email after we filed the divorce papers. He possibly cost me thousands of dollars that should have been mine from ex's personal injury award (never did get a statement on how the money was paid out - if it was all pain and suffering or part pain/suffering and part lost wages which I would have been entitled to half of the lost wages part).

    Posted 2 years ago by SylMiaFelixMomma #

  6. SMM, that seemed kind of odd to me, also. I'm seeing this attorney on the recommendation of one of his clients, so that says something, but I do have to admit my antennas are up. I'll check out the situation while I'm there, and if there's no staff other than him, I'll ask about how to get in touch with him when he's out of the office.

    I don't even feel like going right now. Mr. L. is being nice today. Yesterday I went to a pawn shop and bought a TV with a headset jack, then bought the headset and an extension cord. Last night and this morning there was not a sound from the blamed TV! I could leave the bedroom door open for kitties to come and go, and I wasn't awakened by actors screaming at each other. Just last evening, though, he was berating me while I was setting up the new TV because it was bothering his OCD, and two days ago he was trying to get out of his therapist appt. for this month. All he has to do is be nice, though, and I start to think that maybe things can work. Up to now, though, it's never lasted.

    Posted 2 years ago by Leeny #

  7. I sooooo admire your strength Leeny. You're incredible. I wish there was something I could suggest or advise.....In lieu of that I'll send you my Prayers. ((((Leeny)))))

    Posted 2 years ago by Karenopa #

  8. Leeny! Don't back down! You've learned what to expect. Please, please stick to your plans. {leeny}

    Posted 2 years ago by paulajeanne #

  9. I will, PJ. Just because I don't feel like it right now doesn't mean I'm not going to do it.

    Watching the YouTube video of the chorus imitating a rainstorm got me thinking about some songs I've been listening to lately that seem to fit my situation. One of them is, in fact, "I Won't Back Down" by Tom Petty. The others are "Get Out of This House" by Shawn Colvin, "Pretty Amazing Grace" by Neil Diamond, and "A Tree Too Weak to Stand" by Gordon Lightfoot.

    Posted 2 years ago by Leeny #

  10. Honey, do the right thing and get on with your life. We love you so much!

    Posted 2 years ago by Emma #

  11. What Emma said.

    Posted 2 years ago by rainingwolf #

  12. Sending you prayers and strength to do what is right for YOU!

    Posted 2 years ago by katthays #

  13. I just got back from the appointment, and it was different. The lawyer's office is in a downtown building that I think must have been a high-class apartment house in another life. He had to buzz me in at the front door. His office was on the second floor, which was reached via a very wide staircase. There were several hallways with many small professional offices along them. When I got up to the office, a few minutes before the appointment time, I found a sign on the lawyer's door saying he wasn't there; so, I sat on a couch beside the door--I knew he couldn't be far away because he'd just spoken to me while buzzing me into the building. He did arrive about a minute later--wearing a polo shirt, shorts, and athletic shoes with tube socks.

    During the consultation, I found out that he mainly works out of his home and only rents the erstwhile walk-in closet to have a place to meet his clients. He can be easily reached because all calls are forwarded to his cell phone; he, in fact, buzzed me into the building from his cell phone while walking down the street. Because of this low overhead, the up-front payment for a divorce is $500, and the rest of the $2000 to $2500 fee is payable in installments--much more workable than the other attorneys I've consulted, though ultimately the same price.

    I don't know what it was, though--the informality of the professional setting, the fact that I hadn't eaten or taken my medicines yet, my not really wanting to be there because Mr. L.'s having a good day--but something just didn't "click". I started getting a headache and feeling very anxious, and I stammered over almost everything I said. The lawyer skimmed rather than read my written narrative and seemed to give more attention to the one incident of physical violence than to the consistent pattern of verbal and psychological abuse that has gone on through the whole marriage. He even printed out a TPA form and notorized it in case I wanted to file for that (his printer jammed several times in the process and he had to spend several minutes fixing that). He also told me some things that didn't mesh with what the other lawyers said: Mr. L. might get free representation and I might have to pay him spousal support, though he didn't really go much into that. He also seemed to get the impression that Mr. L. is more disabled than he actually is, to the point of not being able to live alone without supervision, and I wasn't very good at explaining the situation.

    In the end, I told him that I wasn't going to file for a TPA unless Mr. L. became physically violent again. I also told him about the three conditions of Mr. L.'s last chance and that I wanted to give him an opportunity to fulfill them before filing. He thought that was reasonable. I thanked him and left.

    So, littermates, here I have a lawyer whom I could manage to pay, but with whom, for whatever reason, I felt pronouncedly uncomfortable. I have another lawyer with whom I felt very comfortable but whom I would have to pay in full in advance. Right now I just feel tired of consulting with lawyers, and I think I'm going to concentrate on getting the credit cards paid. That way I'll have a choice.

    About the therapist appointment: The therapist called Mr. L. and told him that it was not acceptable for his appointment to interfere with my meeting, then rescheduled him for the next evening. Mr. L. also told me that she wants to see me alone for about 10 minutes during the appointment.

    Posted 2 years ago by Leeny #

  14. Well, today's not so good anymore. Mr. L. just called wanting me to go to the store after work and buy some very expensive plastic storage bags--for him to use to take laundry that piled up when the washer was broken to a laundromat! When I told him I wasn't going to do that and reminded him that we have trash bags that he can use for that purpose, he told me I could do the laundry myself and hung up.

    Sorry. The credit cards come first now.

    Posted 2 years ago by Leeny #

  15. The storefront lawyer sounds like a flake or a fake. Can you go online and Google him and find out his creds and background?

    And can you file in pro persona (KW, I need your help with this!) as a cheaper method of getting this done?

    Mr. Leeny needs to be history. Fast. And there's got to be a better solution to this problem.

    Posted 2 years ago by Emma #

  16. It may be possible to do that, Emma, but I wouldn't recommend it. Involving an attorney to make sure it gets done right, will give Leeny peace of mind. I've also seen unfortunate outcomes with paralegal outfits that help people fill out forms. They are not lawyers and, at least in Oregon, they are prohibited from giving legal advice.

    Posted 2 years ago by Kitten Whisperer #

  17. If you smell a rat, don't put out the cheese.

    As for Mr L's tantrums treat them like he is a two yr old and ignore him.

    I said before you need to sell the repaired washer and dryer and take your own clothes to a laundromat. He can beat his on a rock.

    If you don't choose to sell the machines, you can have the same arrangement until you move out (BTW, how is that going?)by doing a load when you are home and can keep him out of it. If he wants clean undies he can wash out his own skidmarks.

    Posted 2 years ago by ailuromaniac #

  18. Thanks for the advice, KW. Sure wish there was some solution to this.

    Is there something we can do? Mr. Leeny sounds more and more like a waste of plasma -- sorry to be so negative, but he reminds me so much of my passive/aggressive ex.

    and Ail, I agree!

    Also, is there a way for the church to help with this?

    Posted 2 years ago by Emma #

  19. Leeny, based on what you have mentioned, I wouldn't use this lawyer. Renting a closet while working out of his home raises a lot of red flags. Also a cell phone number is not enough to keep in touch. I hate to say this but even though he may be affordable in the end he may end up costing you way more. Do not use him but continue with your efforts to find a lawyer who will allow you to pay a small amount up front and monthly payments. I know my ex's immigration lawyer allowed him to do that so there has to be one a lawyer who will do this for you. Sending your prayers and positive thougths that you will find one. Keep standing up to Mr. L and don't put up with his tantrums and threats. I agree with ailuromaniac too. If he wants to act like a child, treat him like one or ignore him. Hoping things get much better for you. Sending you prayers and hugs.

    Posted 2 years ago by SylMiaFelixMomma #

  20. I did look this lawyer up on the Georgia Bar site before I went to see him, but all it told me was that he was a current member in good standing. As I thought back on the appointment, though, I remembered feeling almost as if I were trying to convince him of my need for help--pleading my case to my own prospective lawyer, as it were. He seemed to be giving Mr. L. a lot more sympathy than I think Mr. L. merits. His disability isn't that bad; his main handicap was being raised to believe he's the center of the universe, not his IQ of 72, which doesn't even qualify as a diagnosis of mental retardation. Believe me, he will make sure he gets what he needs, and as much of what he wants as he can get somebody to give him.

    So I'm not hiring the storefront lawyer. I know who I really want to hire, but need $2000 in advance. As soon as the credit cards get paid down to a point where I can cobble that amount together, I can file.

    Saturday was good, but the rest of the weekend was miserable; won't go into details right now, but part of it will have to be recorded in my log.

    KW, I love your avatar. I wish cats really could be judges; there might be less animal cruelty taking place.

    As for the residential arrangements, the lease is up in October. If I can get a lease in my name only, that will establish my right to stay in the home. They usually send the lease in my name only, as a matter of fact, and I've been the one to insist that they put Mr. L. on it. I'm going to make sure that they don't this time. By then, I may have the resources to retain my preferred attorney.

    Posted 2 years ago by Leeny #

  21. It's possible that the lawyer works the way he does because he wants to keep his overhead low so the women he wants to help can afford him. Although I would keep looking, I would also ask around and see if you can find a few people who have hired this lawyer and what they thought of their experience.

    Posted 2 years ago by CheetahBoysmommy #

  22. Leeny he must do what he did! If he didn't than when you walked into court you would be eaten alive. He MUST make sure that you understand what will be thought. Because of Mr. L's disability it can cause people to feel sorry for him--however if you can speak and convince people that he is not what he apprears all will go well for you! He made you go through what you will need to do to convince a judge that you are the wronged party and that you owe that man NOTHING and that he owes you!

    Posted 2 years ago by SoxsMom #

  23. CBM, I was referred to this lawyer by an enthusiastic client. I just didn't feel right about him, though. As I said, it was almost as though he didn't think that the almost 11 years of psychological and verbal abuse were that big a problem. Maybe he represents a lot of women who have been repeatedly abused physically, so that my problem doesn't seem like that big a deal. After all, I "only" got pushed once rather than being beaten repeatedly.

    Posted 2 years ago by Leeny #

  24. Soxsmom, I would understand doing that as a preparation for the hearing, but not on the first consultation. It really did feel as if HE felt that way himself. Mr. L.'s condition can be documented from his social services records from before we were married--and from a long line of witnesses if necessary, starting with his own sister, who can attest to his background and behavior.

    Posted 2 years ago by Leeny #

  25. The first consultation is a preparation. It is the very beginning.

    Posted 2 years ago by SoxsMom #


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