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Please help me...

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  • Started 4 years ago by anncetera2
  • Latest reply from KYKAT 12 23
  1. I'm having to do something I loathe doing. I took kitten (R) to visit potential adopter (D) on Saturday night. The adopter filled out a two-page form, and based on that (plus missing information), I've had to make the hard decision not to have D adopt R. I was so hoping this would be a good fit, and in some ways it is. But I have such misgivings in a couple of crucial areas that I feel I have to call D, and follow up with an email that reiterates my decision. (D has not paid any adoption fee yet.)

    I absolutely hate to do this. Please read what I've written down; I'm afraid I won't be able to keep my call to her on topic and tactful, unless I follow it fairly closely. I think she's going to be terribly disappointed, and I don't blame her. I wish this could be otherwise.

    Let me know if you think what I've written will help gently convey my decision, and some of the reasons for it. (I didn't list all reasons, just the most important ones.)

    - - - - - - - - - -

    Hi, D, this is A.

    I was calling to let you know that I was concerned after I left your apartment. I was concerned about your cat, who is now living outdoors in spite of being declawed, and doesn’t have a shelter to sleep in every night (or day) when the weather gets cold. She hasn’t grown out a winter coat, and she certainly seems friendly enough. I don’t really understand why she isn’t kept only indoors, which is where a declawed cat belongs. They’re just too vulnerable without those front claws. Declawed cats can’t climb a tree to get away, they can’t do anything but run away. If that doesn’t work, all they can do is turn around and bite or kick with their back legs to defend themselves. I understand you let her in sometimes, but it was pretty cold out the night that I visited.

    I’d like to recommend that you take the extra effort and time to help make sure your outdoor kitty becomes an indoor kitty. She needs the warmth and security of being indoors. If for some reason you decide you can’t do that, it would be responsible to contact a no-kill shelter in the area to see if they can take her, to find an indoor home for her. She really shouldn’t be living outdoors. If you need help finding a no-kill shelter, there’s a good list of such shelters in Kansas and Missouri, at:

    http://www.saveourstrays.com/no-kill.htm

    I was also concerned when I saw you had a dog, but he now lives with your dad. I’m sure your dad takes good care of him, so I’m glad he has a good home. I don’t understand you giving him to your dad, though. I thought pets were supposed to stay with their owners for the rest of their lives.

    Even if you gave me the landlord information at this point, and the landlord said it was okay, I’m afraid I feel I need to find a different home for R. I’m very sorry about this, especially since R came and visited you. But I have no reassurance, at this point, that R wouldn’t also somehow end up living like your outdoor kitty, or be given away to an aunt or parent if you decide to go to college.

    If you still want to adopt a kitten, Wayside Waifs has cats and kittens for adoption all the time. In November, people can adopt a cat or kitten for half the normal fee. If you have your heart set on getting a kitten, I’d definitely recommend talking with them, and filling out an adoption application.

    I’m very, very sorry, D. I hope you’ll understand, and forgive me someday.

    - - - - - - - - - -

    What do you think? Any improvements I could suggest?

    Posted 4 years ago by anncetera2 #

  2. Looks to me like every word was chosen with great forethought. Well done, anncetera.

    Posted 4 years ago by Jo in Blairsville #

  3. Thanks, Jo. I didn't want to go into any of the minor issues; I didn't consider any of them, in particular, sufficient reason to refuse adoption. But the biggest thing was moving 3 times in 5 years, with a pet being given away as a result of one move. That, plus the current cat situation... I just can't do it.

    I feel so bad about this.

    Posted 4 years ago by anncetera2 #

  4. Don't feel bad. I question the individual's wish for a new cat, when in my opinion the first one is not being treated very nicely. I can see the same thing happening to the new kitty. She doesn't sound too stable in the pet person category to me.

    Posted 4 years ago by paulajeanne #

  5. I would tend to be a lot briefer, but every bit as polite. I would say that after visiting her home you had some concerns about her approach to meeting the needs of her pets. You noticed that she has a declawed cat that lives outdoors which raises a red flag for you for a couple of reasons. She has already had to find another home for a bonded pet (her dog). Your approach to pet care is very different and for this reason you have decided not to place R with her. Thank her for her interest and wish her well.

    You have nothing to apologize for and no reason to ask for forgiveness. You don't need to offer her details about how your point of view differs from hers. If she asks for detail tell her that in your opinion, declawed cats belong indoors and outside cats require an opportunity to grow a winter coat and need a proper shelter. Refrain from telling her what she should be doing. It might come across as judgmental. This just isn't a placement you feel comfortable with.

    Is she really someone you want to help get a cat or kitten from a shelter? (Not your job really, but if you don't want to give her a kitten, why direct her to another source?)

    Just my 2 cents! :-)

    Posted 4 years ago by Kitten Whisperer #

  6. If you have ANY reservations about the care the kitten will receive you HAVE to say no to an adoption. You have done the right thing and you have also been very kind in the way you have phrased your rejection of the potential adopter. No doubt the person will be disappointed and possibly angry, but you have the kitten's best interests at heart and R is currently your responsibility. You are doing the right thing as tactfully as you possibly can. Well done, in a very difficult situation.

    Posted 4 years ago by Pollys_Mum_in_UK_26/05 #

  7. Sorry, anncetera, but I would take out the small paragraph with 'if you still want to adopt'. Why would you recommend her going somewhere else if you don't feel like she's a good candidate for you? I wouldn't want her to adopt from anywhere right now--just a thought :)

    'Even if you gave me the landlord information at this point, and the landlord said it was okay, I’m afraid I feel I need to find a different home for R. I’m very sorry about this, especially since R came and visited you. But I have no reassurance, at this point, that R wouldn’t also somehow end up living like your outdoor kitty, or be given away to an aunt or parent if you decide to go to college.'

    That's really all you have to say to her

    Posted 4 years ago by FondaHonda #

  8. Your words explained everything well and the reasoning given was entirely sound. I hope that this person will take heed and begin to confine her other cat to the indoors. Your instinct and forethought is exactly what is needed to find proper,safe and loving homes. Homes, where the adopters are in it for the long haul. However loving of animals some people are, they don't all necessarily make the safest of environments for a healthy kitty to live and grow. Is it possible that this person can take corrective actions and be reconsidered in the future? Instinct is bottom line...I know you have it and I support your choice here. I

    Posted 4 years ago by Karenopa #

  9. anncetera, what a hard thing to do but you do have to do it. I too don't think I would guide her to somewhere else to adopt, the kitten she adopts will probably end up outside the same as the first one. Everyone has given very good advice on this subject, I don't envy your position.

    Posted 4 years ago by AZDEBRA 5/27 & crew #

  10. Anncetera, I agree that you should follow your instincts, and your instincts say "no go". I also agree with KittenWhisperer that you do NOT need to give her excuses or apologies.
    I know you don't want to anger her, but it is the kitten's welfare that comes first, and I think you already made a very wise decision.
    Good luck. It's a hard choice, I know.

    Posted 4 years ago by artistabobbi TX 1/17 #

  11. A tough thing to do for sure... and I agree with KittenWhisperer.. keep it short and succinct. You have to follow your heart, and if that is keeping R with you longer... then that is what you must you. You would probably kick yourself and worry if let R go to D. my 2 cents

    Good luck with the call... stength and positive energy to you

    Posted 4 years ago by 2 Popoki #

  12. Sounds good to me except I am not certain I could in any way encourage an adoption.

    This looks like a person who likes babies but not adolescents or adults. If they had children they would probably abandon them once they could talk back if they thought they could get away with it. Rule of nature: All Kittens become Cats if they live long enough and all puppies become dogs in the course of time.

    I would not place a cat in a home with a declaw in residence unless I had proof that the kitty was adopted with the handicap. And again I would decline and adoption if the other kitty was forced to fend for itself outside. I would be concerned if a non-declaw were forced to roam by day or night outside and possibly decline the adoption then. A semi-feral or feral adoptee outside with adequate shelter would be acceptable. There again there is the issue of proof.

    My boss and I almost had a falling out when he was talking about adopting a cat to please his girlfriend and having said cat declawed. I made my position very plain. He later did adopt but the cat that chose him was already declawed. He brought her adoption papers to show me.

    Of course he is now in thrall to his grey mistress. I am surprised the girlfriend is not jealous. Then again she is part of the staff, too.

    Posted 4 years ago by ailuromaniac #

  13. anncetera, you have nothing to be sorry or feel bad about your decision. You are in a position to protect and help that kitten get a good home. I agree with FondaHonda; don't offer other adoption sites. Keep your comments brief. It will keep you from wandering from your point. Just state what you see as a problem for this adoption as Kitten Whisperer mentioned. Be firm and authoritative. You'll do great because you care about this kitten!

    Posted 4 years ago by LadyKat of IA #

  14. I agree with Kitten Whisperer's advice.

    Posted 4 years ago by Leeny #

  15. Thank you all so much! KittenWhisperer, I will definitely change & shorten up the message. You're right, I shouldn't come across as judgmental. Except that's exactly what I'm doing here.

    Oh, and for all who were wondering why I was referring her to another location... I volunteer at WW occasionally, and their questionnaire and interview is more rigorous than mine. But you're right, I should probably not suggest WW.

    Posted 4 years ago by anncetera2 #

  16. I agree with KittenWhisperer about keeping it short. I also agree about taking about the adopting from another agency. If the person cannot take care of the current cat, then she isn't a good person to adopt another pet period. I feel really bad for her kitty who lives outdoors and is declawed to the point it bothers me a lot. Why would you declaw a cat and put it outdoors? I would almost suggest they take the cat away from her and find a good home for it. Sorry you are put in this position Anncetera but good for you for making sure it goes to a good home.

    Posted 4 years ago by SylvesterMiasMomma #

  17. Revised version: feedback welcome. I'm going to be calling her tonight.

    After visiting you at your home, Danielle, I had some concerns about your approach to meeting the needs of your pets. I noticed that you have a declawed cat that lives outdoors; this concerns me for a couple of reasons. And I note that you’ve already had to find another home for your dog. (I understand it’s with your dad.)

    I’m afraid that your approach to pet care is very different. I’m sorry, but I’ve decided I can’t place R with you; I don’t feel comfortable with it. Instead, I hope you’d consider making your current cat become an indoor-only cat.

    Thank you for meeting Rocky, and thank you for taking such an interest in him. I hope you’re able to find the perfect cat someday.

    I wish you well; good luck.

    Posted 4 years ago by anncetera2 #

  18. Awesome!!

    Posted 4 years ago by Kitten Whisperer #

  19. Looks good to me!

    Posted 4 years ago by Pollys_Mum_in_UK_26/05 #

  20. Almost exactly your advice, KW, word-for-word. Thanks for giving me a good framework to modify. :-)

    This was all after looking over her application in person on Saturday, and asking some clarifying questions.

    And one other reason I'd thought about referring to WW is they do a lot of education. If she starts getting the message from other people about not giving away pets, and not keeping declawed cats outside... maybe it would start to sink in. Maybe not. (Either way, I'm leaving that info off, because I wouldn't want her to lie on the application form in order to get a kitten.)

    Posted 4 years ago by anncetera2 #

  21. It made me so sad to read about a declawed cat being forced to live outside with no shelter. In my opinion that is abuse and should automatically disqualify someone from getting another pet. She should bring in and love on the kitty she has. Please kkep R safe from this irresponsible person. It sounds like D has a lot of growing up to do.

    Posted 4 years ago by KYKAT 12 23 #

  22. Sounds great and especially like your pointing out that the person bring the declawed kitty inside. Great work, Anncetera!

    Posted 4 years ago by SylvesterMiasMomma #

  23. Ppearson, I think she does. She's very young, and IMO she's going to bounce around a bit before she figures out what she wants to do. To be honest, the thing that bothered me most was the cat living outside. There was frost on the ground when I left, and she meowed at me and enjoyed getting petted. Petting her was what led me to realize she doesn't have a winter coat; and it's going to get colder later this week. Sleet is forecasted for Saturday.

    Posted 4 years ago by anncetera2 #

  24. I agree with the others who've give you very sound advice -- it's much better. How about adding "from my own." after the word different. Good job!

    Posted 4 years ago by Jo in Blairsville #

  25. Just a couple of suggestions:

    "This concerns me because outdoor cats need to have shelter provided for them and declawed cats cannot defend themselves outdoors."

    "Because your approach to pet care is very different from mine, I don't feel comfortable placing R with you." This is less apologetic, and I don't think you have anything for which to apologize. Also, her approach to pet maintenance, unfortunately, isn't much different from that of a lot of other people.

    Posted 4 years ago by Leeny #

  26. I must say, I don't know why you all were telling her to follow me...

    very strange :)

    Actually Ancettera, wife and I looked at it and think that it looks great. You are doing the right thing because you are looking out for the cat.

    Posted 4 years ago by Instinct #

  27. Nice detail Jo... good thing to add in.

    If I lived close I'd consider adopting from you. I'm seriously considering a 2nd kitty, but not 'til after the first of the year. Well... cat, more so than kitty. One a little closer in age to Chloe. I know those are harder to find homes for. Cats don't seem to find me at my home or on the road... I'll have to visit a shelter or PetsMart. See who calls to me :)

    Posted 4 years ago by 2 Popoki #

  28. Eileen, those are great suggestions and now incorporated.

    Posted 4 years ago by anncetera2 #

  29. One Popoki, you're going to kill me for saying this, but I'm driving to Arizona with friends in the middle of February...

    Posted 4 years ago by anncetera2 #

  30. It's meant to be, One Popoki! :)

    Posted 4 years ago by FondaHonda #


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