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   Hi all...
   Just want to inform you that I am now rushing to my regular vet with my FLUTD cat, Joget.

   Joget can't pee at all today, and I assume this to be an emergency, so I called my vet and thankfully, she is handling a major surgery right now. She doesn't usually take patients in sundays, but since she's having a surgery, she is able to squeeze me in.

   This FLUTD case is unresolved since last september. He's been cathethered 3 times in a year, this will be his 4th.

   The vet said that his kidney has been damaged, this is why the FLUTD is untreatable.
   Xray showed a very bloated kidney, but no stones. He hasn't had his blood tested yet, I'm going to request the vet for it.

   Any opinion on this matter will be most welcomed and appreciated.. Because from what I read in the web, FLUTD is supposed to be treatable. And renal failure isn't usually accompanied by bloated kidney (is this true?)

   Oh, and joget peed fine last night. He's been on and off with peeing blood. When he pees blood, the vet subscribed "adona" to me.
   But last night everything was well. He peed well without blood. Then this morning he couldn't pee at all. Still the doc said that there is no blockage, it's his kidney that's the main problem.

   Joe is at the back of the car right now. He's still acts well, aside from the panting and drooling.

   Thanks for reading this... Please pray that Joget's illness is curable, and that he gets well soon. Thank you

   Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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   Have no opinion on this matter, never have experienced it with any of my crew....just hugs for both of you.

   Posted 2 years ago by AZDEBRA 5/27 & crew #

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   So sorry to hear this, DionneWB. Many {{{HUGS}}} to you and Joget and healing energy to your little one.

   Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

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   Sending good healing thoughts to you and Joe.

   Posted 2 years ago by dirtymartiniqueen #

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   Thank you everyone... The vet didn't want to catheter him right away when I brought him in, because she wanted to give him a chance to pee by himself. His bladder was not too full then.

   I asked the vet about Joe just now, and she said she's in the process of cathetering him, but it is difficult to get the catheter in. I'm about to do some googling to find out about this...

   Pls keep praying for joget...
   Thank you...

   Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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   Prayers for you and Joget.

   Posted 2 years ago by Buttercup #

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   Adding you and Joget to my prayer line.

   Posted 2 years ago by GizzysAuntie #

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   Thank you...

   I just did some googling on animal catheterization. Quite a number of articles say that repeated catheterization can cause a UTI in itself.

   Joe was cathetered twice in two weeks in september. Could this be the cause of the unresolved FLUTD? Or is it really because of his kidney failing?

   I'm sorry if it's hard for me to accept that he has a kidney failure, because I read that no cats with kidney failure ever had a nonstop FLUTD. And I don't recall reading that bloated kidney is a sign of failure either.

   Please if anybody has any opinions, let me know?

   And thank you all for the prayers and positive energies... Joget and I appreciate them much...

   Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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   All I can say is to keep talking to the vet. My Gibbie had this problem, but that was about 20 years ago so I'm sure treatments have changed. I do remember that the vet told me if nothing else works there is a surgical procedure that they can do - it basically makes their urinary system more like a female's (larger and more straight) and then they don't get blocked up as much. Fortunately Gibbie responded to the diet food and didn't need the surgery. Also the vet stressed how important it was to get him to drink lots of water. At the time, his favorite thing to drink water from was a very expensive vase - I was so desperate to get him to drink that I let him use it for his water bowl. 20 years later, my cats still drink water from that Aalto vase - and Gibbie has been gone for almost 8 years!

   I hope the vet can pinpoint what is causing the problem. Poor guy.

   Posted 2 years ago by NNGM #

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    Is Joe drinking enough water? I would think that giving him fluids would probably help a lot? Milo gets 100cc fluids every week and he is eating all canned...but he does have CRF.

    Keep in mind that a cat eating 1/2 a cup of dry a day needs to drink over twice that amount in water just to stay hydrated.

    Posted 2 years ago by furryfriends50 #

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    Yes, I supposed Joe drinks quite a lot. He eats 3 times of precription wet food a day (and 1 time of prescription dry), and always dilute his wet food with water, and he always finishes all his meals.

    I don't how much it is in cc, though.. But I always "tent" him, and his skin is very flexible. Goes right back down.

    Even as I was rushing him to the vet yesterday, he had a lot energy. No one would know that he was sick.

    NNGM, I will talk to my vet about the surgery. But lately I just don't feel comfortable asking too much. I thinks she senses my doubts... But I will ask today when I come in to see my Joe...

    Thank you so much everyone for the prayers and well-wishes...

    Will keep posting updates... :)

    Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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    I have a few questions - what does FLUTD stand for? How old is Joget? Where did you get him from (was he a feral or a rescue)?? I've dealt with a lot of cats over the past few years, and I've learned that persistant illness of one kind or another usually indicates another underlying issue. If you can be certain that it is not due to something like diet or physical injury (like maybe something happened to injure his kidney), one has to start looking at underlying disease processess like FIV/FeLV/FIP. Those 3 are the main causes of major diseases in cats. Especially FIP has really nasty effects on kidneys. You mentioned that Joget had some xrays done - were these just regular xrays or were they contrast studies? Maybe you can ask your vet to run a contrast study over a day or two. It involves injecting something, usually idione, intravenously, and then xraying the kidneys, with they idea being that the right bits are supposed to light up. They can also express urine while taking an xray, which would help them to see if there is some sort of blockage or urine reflux, or abnormalities in the urethra/urethers/bladder/kidneys. Please keep us posted on whats happening?

    Posted 2 years ago by Skyron #

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    I don't have any personal experience with your situation, DW, but know I hold you and Joe in my prayers.

    Posted 2 years ago by Lynn from PA 6/8 #

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    Dionne, pls ask ur vet aboout the surgery NNGM suggested. asked vets around here n they mentioned it too. I pray for Joget n you, both. (((hugs)))

    Posted 2 years ago by Khom #

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    Skyron:
    FLUTD is Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease. Some kind of UTI or FUS.
    Joe is not even 4 years old. He was born on 2006 in my very own bathroom. (His mom is still alive and healthy :) one of my most beloveds)

    I had asked my vet twice to get a blood test, but she said that it wasn't necessary. That the problem is the kidney, and that she has no doubt about it.
    Can she find out if he has FIP/FeLV/FIV by blood tests? If she can, then I will insist that she get Joe's blood test done.

    The problem is that in Indonesia, veterinary technology is not as advanced as it is in first world countries. To get Joe's Xray, my vet had to go to another vet, some miles away. Same thing will have to be done to get his blood tested.

    And the xray we got was a regular xray. I don't suppose we have the contrast study here, but I will ask and keep posting updates.

    Lynn: thank you so much!!! Means a lot to me and Joe that people are hoping for his well-being :)

    Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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    Well, bad news, no one in indonesia has the test kit to detect FIV/FeLV/FIP. In fact, the only way to detect those diseases is by autopsy.

    I feel like cursing the whole country.

    Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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    Sorry to hear that they don't have the test kits, and the alternative way of detection doesn't sound like a good idea. Hope that your furry baby feels better soon, hugs to both of you.

    Posted 2 years ago by AZDEBRA 5/27 & crew #

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    {{{Dionne and Joget}}}

    Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

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    KHOM, JCAT and AZDEBRA: thank you so much for your support!

    KHOM, I didn't get to ask the vet about the operation, I will ask tomorrow. The head vet was not in today, I had to talk to another vet. And this vet doesn't even know what FIV is :((

    I had to call another vet and ask him about testing, that's how I found out that it can't be done.

    So that's why I didn't get to ask about the surgery. But I will...
    Maybe I will go to this vet that I called, and have joe checked there. He is one of the oldest vets in the country, but he is VERY expensive...

    Hope I were rich.., so I can bring Joe to Malaysia instead :p
    Thanks for asking vets about it, KHOM... I wonder if the operation is widely suggested there, why isn't it ever mentioned to me once here?

    Once again, I feel like cursing the whole country

    Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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    DW, I have no special knowledge on this but I do send prayers and many well wishes. Please keep coming back as often as you need. We are all here for you!

    Posted 2 years ago by mollycat71 #

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    {{{Dionne & Joget}}} Hope you get this resolved soon. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

    Posted 2 years ago by JoanfromNewJersey #

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    {{{DION}}} {{{JOGET}}}

    Posted 2 years ago by feral #

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    Prayers for Dionne and Joget.

    Posted 2 years ago by Dee #

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    Dion, I am sending prayers and white light to you and Joe! {{{{DION, JOE}}}}

    Posted 2 years ago by katthays #

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    Thank you sooo much everybody...
    I'm going to check on Joget again tomorrow... And will post updates..

    Once again, thank you... Your thoughts and prayers help...

    Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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    I had mentioned the surgery on your previous thread. Is there a veterinary school you could take him to? They are usually up on the latest techniques and are less expensive.

    Posted 2 years ago by Sheba's Mom in Raleigh, NC #

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    OMG! I cant believe this! The blood tests for FIV/FeLV & FIP literally involve just a drop of blood, its like a pregnancy test - add drop of blood, wait 5 mins, 1 stripe is good news, 2 stripes are bad news. These tests come in kit-form. I wonder if it would be worth your while to try and import them? Virbac Laboratories. I'll ask dr Peck about it when I see him again. As to the contrast study, personally, I would not let any vet touch my cats' kidney based on basically an assumption that that is whats wrong. You can only see the outline of a kidney on a xray, you need the contrast of the dye to see whats going on inside the kidney. For God's sake??! I cant believe they dont know about it. Tell those vets to google the merck veterinary manual, it will tell them how to do the procedures. And they might actually learn something usefull in the process. Sorry. When I'm faced with blatant incompetence I get very mad.

    Posted 2 years ago by Skyron #

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    Dionnewb, Joget is in my prayers.

    Posted 2 years ago by rossy #

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    Dionne, there are five veterinary schools in Indonesia -- might be worth contacting? They're in Jakarta, Surabaya, Medan, Bandung, Palembang and Makassar. Hope that helps.

    Posted 2 years ago by jcat #

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    Skyron:
    I agree with you. I get very mad too, that why I've been feeling like cursing the whole country. And that's the reason why I can't accept "the fact" that Joe's having a kidney failure. I know the boy. He's very playful, he doesn't look like someone with a kidney disease. Plus he doesn't drink excessively, and he doesn't need fluid IV. He had been home for a month before admitted back to the hospital, and he never had any setback regarding fluid/dehydration. His setbacks has always been urinating problems. But even as he's having these urinating problems, he still plays around, runs around, and being a mischief.

    Rossy: thank you for your prayer and support

    Sheba's Mom and JCat: I did read your post about the surgery. It got me thinking about it a lot. But even then I was sceptical that they'd be able to do it.
    I live in jakarta, but there in no veterinary school here. There is a veterinary hospital where vets-to-be do internships (residence?) But it costs a lot more than a regular vet. Like.., double the cost of a regular vet. And joget going in and out of my vet's 3 times since september has really put a strain to me economically.

    I'm calling the Jakarta Veterinary Hospital in a moment, to make sure whether or not they have the test kit. And after Joe comes home later this week, I will arrange to meet the senior veterinarian that I mentioned above, and discuss what my options are.

    The nearest veterinary school is in Bogor, which is a 3-hour drive. I don't drive, and I don't want to take joe by any public transports (public transports here are bad)

    Plus there's no vaccine for FeLV yet in indonesia.

    Can I say itu again? I feel like cursing the whole country...

    Posted 2 years ago by dionnewb #

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