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  • Started 1 year ago by sarah_a204
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  1. Hi guys,

    I'm new here! Forgive me for the essay but I want to share the whole story in case you guys can help me out at all. I found a baby kitten in my shed, sitting all alone screaming. It's eyes were closed and it had fleas and was dirty so I took it in and cleaned it, got rid of the fleas, got it some kitten powder milk replacement, (wambaroo brand - im in australia) and I have been feeding it through a baby bottle. I've had it for a couple of weeks now.

    It's eyes opened the next few days after I found it, so it would have been about 7-10 days old then. When I first found it, I just fed it, stimulated it and then put it to sleep. It just ate and slept most of the time and I could put it in the basket, cover it over so it was dark and it would sleep and I wouldn't need to worry about it. The basket has towels in it, a hot water bottle in a towel, and a teddy.

    I fed it every few hours and it peed and pooped then went back to sleep. Then it stopped pooping for a few days. I called the vet and they said to dilute the milk - so I did that and it worked that day. Then still didn't have consistent pooping, so I kept feeding it diluted milk but didn't seem to do anything. I saw the brutus video on youtube and did what they did, put a vaseline covered thingy up it's bum to make sure there wasn't a blockage, and it had poop on it when it came out so I stimulated and got a tiny bit, but then nothing normally. Is it possible that it just doesn't need to go? It pees fine, it just lies there quiet while it pees but when i do triangle method for pooping it squirms and squeals.

    I took it to the vet two days ago, found out it's a girl! I've named her Lily. He did an enema (squirted parrafin up her bum) and then when i got home she did a massive poop, healthy looking yellow and toothpaste consistency. But now two days later, nothing again and we're back to the no-regular-poop situation. I was expecting that to fix her right up so she would start going again once a day.. He sent me home with a tub of parrafin, a syringe and a laxative to use but I am not sure when I should use them. What do you guys think? Should I be worried after she did a massive one then nothing for 2 days?

    Other than the poop situation - she seems fine. Vet said she is healthy and active. She doesn't seem like she is deteriorating or anything, her belly is fine and not too hard but she is just super restless.

    She would be about 3 and a half weeks old now. Her eyes and ears open and she crawls around and won't stay still, keeps waking up by herself and meowing and crawling out of the basket I have her in! She is always meowing and wandering around as if she is searching for something, but she'll suckle on my finger and purr and she'll be fine like that, but that means in order to make her be quiet I have to have her with me 24/7!! Is there such a thing as a kitten pacifier?! I don't know if there is a problem or if she is just exploring or just wants affection? If she was just exploring would she constantly meow ?? I feel like I can't satisfy her needs, I don't know what she wants!

    I don't have any other cats or know anybody with cats so I am concerned that she is going to be really dependent on me? She is very demanding now, she won't settle down and stop meowing unless she is suckling on my finger, eating or sleeping. Is that just age?

    Anyway, not sure exactly what I need from you but maybe some reassurance or advice if you have been through the same thing. I've never done this before and I just want to know that I'm doing the right thing..
    Thanks :)

    Posted 1 year ago by sarah_a204 #

  2. Welcome to TDK, Sarah!..... I've not had experience with kittens that young, but many here have, and they will have good advise..... from the years I've been here and reading threads, it sounds like you're doing everything right - kitties need to poop at least every couple of days, so keep an eye on her, and use the stuff the vet gave you if you need to.... stimulation seems to be very important for the very young ones..... sounds to me like she's bonding with you (you're her Mum now).... so she will typically want to suckle (on your finger) or something she associates with a Motherly persona..... give her as much affection/time that you can... I've heard about people on this site actually making a "sling" type of thing and carrying their little tiny kits around in it, so they stay next to their "heartbeat"... seems to comfort them, and remind them of their real cat Mum...... you may way to get a "special" stuffed animal - they sell them at pet stores here in the states that immitate a "momma kitty".... it has a hot waterbottle in it that can be warmed, and makes a "heartbeat" sound, so the kitten can cuddle up next to it!..... best of luck, and I'm sure you'll get some great advise!.... again, Welcome!

    Posted 1 year ago by AV #

  3. Hi Sarah! Has the vet seen your kitten? I must say that I freaked out when my orphan wouldn't poop and, indeed, the vet had to give her an enema. In my case, I had been putting the tiniest bit of baby rice cereal in her replacement formula to make it more filling, since I work and could only get home at lunch time to feed her during the day. It worked but it did constipate her. It doesn't sound like anything is wrong in your case, but there are many people here who have much more experience than I who can give you better advice.

    Your kitten's behavior is perfectly normal and she will grow out of it. She is just a baby! If she weren't an orphan she would still be suckling, she would have brothers and sisters to play and sleep with, etc. You are her entire world right now but it won't last very long. Right now your bigger problem is to make sure she has a safe environment to explore. There probably isn't a box big enough to keep her in- unless maybe it is a piano box. Essentially, you must now look around at things in the room she lives in and baby proof it. Look for things like cords (especially those that pull blinds up and down-- make sure she can't get tangled in them. Kittens have been strangled that way), make sure she can't get stuck in holes in the wall board or floor. Move dangerous furniture like rockers and recliners out of the room--anything that she could get in or under and be crushed. This sounds extremely scary but, really, you are just making it a safe place for her to tear around in-- and tear around she will, very soon.

    I wish you the best of luck with your new baby! You won't be able to imagine life without her very soon.

    Posted 1 year ago by Lily #

  4. Hi, Sarah, sounds like you are doing everything right. Thank you so much for rescuing this baby! Yes, I would start using the laxative the vet gave you. Pooping at the vet, great, not pooping the next day, okay, but the day after that I would be using the laxative. You could also try adding a few drops of vegetable oil (eg olive) to her formula. If neither of those work by the next day, I would be thinking about doing the paraffin enema if that's what the vet showed you how to do. But if you are at all worried, talk to the vet again first.

    Yes, if she had her mum and her siblings with her, she would be doing exactly what she's doing now, sleeping in a huddle against her mum with her siblings, waking up and latching onto the teat, feeding and falling asleep again, and starting to explore her environment. If she woke up to find mum gone, she would indeed cry until mum came back and try to find her -- in this case, mum is you!

    Yes, you can order kitty pacifiers from the States, I'll try to find a link for you, but just as good would be to sew a teat onto a fleecy blanket square if your sewing skills are up to it.

    This is a great site for helping people rear kittens, one of our most experienced foster kitty mums recommends it: http://www.messybeast.com/handrear.htm

    Keep checking back, and just ask if there's anything we can help with, we are not vets but we have some very experienced kitty people and will always try to help. :)

    By the way, apparently powdered kitten milk replacement does tend to constipate little ones, this is a very common problem.

    Posted 1 year ago by jcat #

  5. Welcome!!!

    http://www.catsifier.com/

    Posted 1 year ago by 2bpurring #

  6. Thanks 2BPurring, you beat me to the punch :)

    I also found this link http://www.catpacifier.com/ and it looks like you might also be able to source them on the crafts website, www.etsy.com.

    Of course try your local pet store first but it might be a bit exotic for those of us down under (I'm a Kiwi).

    Posted 1 year ago by jcat #

  7. Oh My....I was just going to recommend the Catsifier site that I found but I see my littermates have beat me to it!!! There doesn't seem to be alot on the market but this site looked interesting to me. http://www.catsifier.com/index.html
    Good Luck Sarah and welcome to TDK! =)

    Posted 1 year ago by Karenopa #

  8. Welcome to TDK! I have no advice to offer other than what has been listed, but please when you have time come to chat in the variety of threads. Prayers are with you!

    Posted 1 year ago by SoxsMom #

  9. thanks so much for your help guys, and for all the welcomes! you have a lovely community here, that's why i signed up.

    i might try to make something out of baby bottle teats as i'm in australia so would be difficult to access those cushions, and i can sew so i might make something myself and see if that helps.

    the vet said the laxative goes in her butt so i have put a tiny bit in, i don't know if it worked yet but i'll keep you updated.
    i will just try to be patient with her and be there as much as i can, and i'm about to head out to the shops to see if i can find a baby pen or something to keep her in that she cant jump out of..

    thanks again guys, will keep you updated xx

    Posted 1 year ago by sarah_a204 #

  10. Welcome, Sarah! And welcome to Lily, too! You have gotten some great advice. Be sure to update us on her progress. We also enjoy pictures and stories of her antics as she discovers her new world.

    Posted 1 year ago by LadyKat of IA #

  11. Welcome Sarah! Lily is adorable! Bless you for saving her. I have no experience with kitts that young, but I know you will get loads of good advice on TDK! Stop in the cafe for some delicious virtual goodies! Look forward to seeing more pics and your posts! I am in the US, Wisconsin...my avatar is Gizmo.

    Posted 1 year ago by katthays #

  12. Hey Welcome!

    No experience with kittens that young. My furry three catcateers and I send warm hugs and furry headbonks from way up north!

    Chey

    Posted 1 year ago by Chey #

  13. Oh, I'm jealous that she's taking care of a baby! Thank you for being so willing to take such a big responsibility on Sarah, it looks like you're doing a great job! Definitely keep us updated :)

    Posted 1 year ago by Becca #

  14. Hi Sarah and welcome to TDK! Bless you for taking care of this little life. Please do keep us posted and join us!

    Posted 1 year ago by Jetta and Boo Boo's Mom #

  15. You are all just so lovely! :) If you can see my avatar that's the little lady in question.. When I first found her I thought I'd just try my best to keep her alive and not get too attached in case she didn't make it, but I kinda fell in love after I'd wake up each morning to see if she was still alive and she'd just be curled up sleeping! And now yes, I hope she sticks around :)

    JCat - do you know which oil is best to put in her milk as a laxative? I have olive oil or canola oil.. I don't have vegetable oil handy right now, I could buy some but would the others do? I also read fish oil might help? I have some of that so which do you think? And how much? I don't want to overdose her on all kinds of oils but if something will help I will give it a go!

    I think I will do the parrafin enema tomorrow if nothing happens by the morning. It's just confusing because she is still so normal, like nothing is wrong at all and she's not bothered by it. She still eats heaps, pees easily and then every time I try to poop her, she starts yelling at me and it's like: "Not agaaaiiinn, I don't need to go alright! Leave my bum alone already!!".

    Poor thing. The joys of having a human mum! xx

    Posted 1 year ago by sarah_a204 #

  16. Hi Sarah! Welcome to TDK. little Lily is such a cutie!!
    Canola Oil or corn oil should be fine. But be careful to add just a drop or two to the formula. Also, try stimulating her in long strokes starting from the lower belly with a warm damp cotton ball (cotton balls are so much more gentler on the still-sensitive skin of the kitten). And if you are seeing the vet again, do ask him to teach you to feel for poop and pee (palpitate to feel). I sometimes find my young kittens more prone to pooping and peeing right after i palpitate them when there is a need to (e.g. no poop for 3 days/pee for 24 hrs).But you've got to learn to do it properly, though.
    I once had a kitten that didn't poop for 3 days and on the 4th day there it was! The vet here told me that it is sometimes normal for them not to go everyday especially if it was being hand-raised. But anything more than 3 days, and u gotta do something.
    I would advise practicing caution when administering laxatives as you can cause injury to the anal area unknowingly (cuz she's still so tiny and a syringe can be quite big! you can coat the syringe with a little KY Jelly) which can turn septic very fast. It is important that you do not exceed the dosage as it can lead to diarrhea and dehydration. Also, pls make sure she gets enough fluids when u use laxatives on her.
    You've done a great job and I'm sure she'll be just fine under your care. Do keep us posted! :)

    Posted 1 year ago by Khom #

  17. Knom, that was very helpful thank you so much. Well yesterday was the third day so hopefully she will produce one this morning like the little one you had. If not I think I will do the parrafin, the vet sent me home with a bottle of it. I can't remember whether he mixed it with water or if it was straight parrafin in the syringe - anyone know?

    Interesting, what is palpitating? I might google it, would be great to have a method to know if she actually needs to go or not, cos as I said it's not obvious in her behaviour that she's bothered.

    Keeping her hydrated is another topic I am curious about - She is a little over three weeks old now but does not have any interest in water from a bowl just yet. She has lapped maybe once or twice when I put her head close to it but nothing consistent, so in terms of giving her enough water should I be bottle feeding her plain water every now and then as well, or is the water mixed with the milk powder enough until she uses a bowl at her own leisure?

    Thanks guys xx

    Posted 1 year ago by sarah_a204 #

  18. If she was still being raised by her furry mum, she would only be getting milk. You probably don't have to worry about water right now. She's really a little young to lap from a saucer. You could provide her with one extra feeding each day, but make it very dilute milk.

    So far as the paraffin goes, give the vet a call and ask whether to mix it. Once you'll gone to all the trouble of contacting the vet, mixing the paraffin, etc., she'll probably go on her own right before you get ready to treat her.

    Posted 1 year ago by CheetahBoysmommy #

  19. Ok everyone we have poop! :) Straight after feeding & peeing so no extra procedures needed, I think she was onto me!
    "No poking anything else in my butt lady, here's your poop!"

    So... for anyone else's reference. if it was canola oil that did the trick, I just had a couple of drops in the milk yesterday and this morning with the milk diluted a little more than usual as well, and that seemed to do it.

    Also after further thought yesterday was her fourth day without poop, not third! That's how many days it was before I took her to the vet last time as well, and because her behaviour doesn't change at all, I'm starting to think that might be the norm for her... Maybe she just has super-powered bowel control and doesn't go til she needs to? xx

    Posted 1 year ago by sarah_a204 #

  20. Yea for poop!

    Posted 1 year ago by CheetahBoysmommy #

  21. Hahaha thanks! You're right, she went on her own anyway but luckily it was just after the standard daily routine so no extra effort.
    Lucky me! Thanks for the advice on water, I will wait a bit xx

    Posted 1 year ago by sarah_a204 #

  22. Yay for poop! We like to celebrate it on TDK!

    Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, Sarah, by vegetable oil I meant anything you had in the house -- olive oil (though she might not like the taste if it's extra-virgin :) ), soy, canola, rice bran -- anything you might have on hand to fry with or stick in the mayonnaise or vinaigrette!

    Posted 1 year ago by jcat #

  23. Not a problem at all, thanks for that and for your other responses! xx

    Posted 1 year ago by sarah_a204 #

  24. Yay for the poop! I think you can continue feeding milk at the normal strength but be sure to add a drop or two of vege oil into each feeding. And like CBM suggested, one extra feeding with diluted milk. If you dilute the milk all the time, you risk under-nourishment. Kisses and scritches to Lazy Lily!

    @CBM : LOLLL. that was funny. and so true.

    Posted 1 year ago by Khom #

  25. Thanks for that Khom.. I have kept feeding her normal strength and still a couple of drops of canola oil but still no regular pooping. She hasn't gone since the last one now, I think it might just be the way she is, I'm not really concerned anymore cos it seems she just goes once every three or four days and otherwise is fine?! And the box of milk powder says she should be having around 44ml a day for her weight, but I have read elsewhere that she should have 4 feedings of about 25ml each? That's double! How do i know which to go with??

    She still drinks heaps of milk but I got a little sachet of kitten food to see what she did and she licked a bit of it up although I don't think she knows how to chew yet! When do you think I should start weaning her? I have read 3 or 4 weeks, she is about that now..

    She is still drinking from the bottle but recently I cant help but think she's getting frustrated with it - she goes a bit psycho and seems to whine when she has it in her mouth and keeps trying to reach up to it and batting it with her paws, but then she'll be fine and go mad on it for a while until she's had enough. Little crazy!

    I must say life is so entertaining now. I saw some kittens in the pet store and they were HUGE compared to her! I wonder if she'll ever get that big! I will have to post a couple of photos, although she is still the same as in the avatar.
    And I see on other other topics that Lily is quite a popular name around here! x

    Posted 1 year ago by sarah_a204 #

  26. Indeed, it is!

    Posted 1 year ago by Lily #

  27. One of our TDK experts (Anncetra) has suggested mixing a little solid food with milk and spreading it out over a flat plate in a thin layer and see if the baby licks at it, to start weaning her. I think I have that right, do I, Ann?

    Posted 1 year ago by paulajeanne #

  28. Hi Sarah, I don't have any advice as I've never had a kitten that young but I've just wanted to let you know I've been watching your thread, think Lily is absolutely adorable, and can't wait to watch her grow up! You are doing great and such a sweet wonderful thing to save Lily. She has the cutest little face

    Posted 1 year ago by gini #

  29. PJ, that's about right. I've found that about 2 tsp. of canned kitten food, spread flat on the surface of a saucer, and then liberally glazed with kitten milk formula will do the trick. It's terribly messy for a week or two, until the kitten develops a bit more refined motor skills. Keeping a clean, warm, slightly damp washcloth handy after feeding time will make cleaning the face and paws easier after eating.

    Weaning a kitten can be a bit trying at times, but as she gets hungrier and the amount of milk in feedings just isn't enough to keep up, she'll become much more interested in the wet food. And I've found kittens really seem to go for dry kibble around 6 weeks of age; something about the crunchiness, I think.

    Lily will soon need at least an entire room to wander around in. If you can, make sure it's a room that's kitten-proofed and that has no little spaces she can wedge herself into. That will buy you enough time to kitten-proof the rest of the home (if possible).

    Chances are good that Lily will always be extra affectionate with you! In her eyes, you are her mommy; you are the source of all that is good and wonderful in her life. She has no littermates on whom to direct any of her energy and playfulness, so guess who substitutes for that? Yes, that's right - you do!

    You may need to spend some extra time playing with her until she's about 12-16 weeks of age, because in that interval in other circumstances, she'd be almost entirely focused on playing with her littermates and her mum. I encourage you to play with her with toys that don't involve your hands being close by; a crumpled up piece of paper, tightly rolled into a ball, is almost irresistible. A toy on a string, attached to a stick, so you can go "fishing" for Lily would be fun! Just don't encourage her to play with your hands; hands are only for petting, treats, and gently picking her up & setting her down.

    After that age, she likely will become more interested in exploring further on her own. But it would be reasonable to expect that she may always be a bit fixated on you!

    "If she was just exploring would she constantly meow ?? I feel like I can't satisfy her needs, I don't know what she wants!"

    You'll soon be able to tell the difference when she meows for being hungry, or when she meows because she's alarmed that mum is out of sight. Some meows are for greeting, too, but that may develop a bit later on. Right now, a kitten would mostly meow as a way to call mama, if mama's within earshot.

    Posted 1 year ago by anncetera2 #

  30. I am pretty sure she will stop the constant meowing too. I adopted my cat Bo when he was just under 3 months old. We fell in love with each other instantly at the shelter but he had just been brought in and couldn't be released for adoption for 5 days. So I went to visit him every day and noticed that even while exploring, he meowed constantly. He had an annoying voice too! It concerned me a little bit but either because he got a little older or because he was happy in his new home, it stopped very soon after I brought him home. I tend to believe it was a youthful uncertainty thing.

    Posted 1 year ago by Lily #


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