well decided to go to another vet bc the one i went to didnt seem to do anything for the babies... all the sudden the sick ones legs became swollen ect.
well i took her to another vet more expensive ;( but my grandma had taken her cats there. well i had the little one stay with the vet at her house ect for 2 nights... she said she was doing a lot better. still a big difference between her and her sister size wise lol. she seems to be eating a lil.. they put her on a antiobiotic shot ect.. and on kmr formula i was using another brand.. well she seemes a little better. not eatin as much as i would like but at least shes eating now. the only problem is that now her anus (srry if not the right word) is swollen her poop seems to be liquidy not just oozing out but when i stimulate her its a brownish color but mostly liquid... im afarid she might be dyhderated or something.. well since the vet had her on kmr or whatever and i have other formula i am thinkin maybe that caused her to have liquid poop so tmrrw im going to buy her the kmr anyone recommend liquid or powder kind??? also i hear giving her pedilyte incase of dehydration... also in the box she was in was a big syringe with a needle (it was coverd) but they didnt say anything to me about it, im assuming its fluid but idk i am going to call tmrrw.. about that. anyone have advice on the swollen anus... i heard vasoline or neosporin.. sadly i really cnt afford a vet bill again.. im a college student.. paying for my own apartment all by myself ect. so far this is what i have spent on vet bills 1st bill 72 something 2nd bill 54 somthing. this last bill was 174 something dollars!! like i said can really afford a vet bill. any advice i would appreciate it so much!! also need a name for this lil her she is all black..
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Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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Hi, CC, well, I'm not a vet but I'll try and help.
First of all the diarrhoea is not good. It may be because of the change in formula from what you were feeding her to what the vet is feeding her, it may be the antibiotics that are causing it, or parasites. The problem is that diarrhoea can dehydrate a young kitten very quickly so you need to keep getting fluids into her.
Yes, I would go with KMR. The powdered sort seems to give some kittens constipation so I would recommend the liquid sort in cans, although that does work out more expensive. If you can only afford the powdered sort, I would suggest mixing it with pedialyte rather than plain water. You can buy pedialyte in the children's aisle at the supermarket or you can make your own.
I'll give you the recipe to make your own:* Pedialyte formula (from World Health Organization)...no preservatives so short life-span
* 1 cup water (boiled then cooled)
* 2 tsp sugar
* 1/8 tsp salt
* 1/8 tsp baking soda
* (this Pedialyte formula gives needed electrolytes & some sugar for energy)Combine all ingredients and warm slightly
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To test whether she is dehydrated, do the tent test:
Pick up a good pinch of her skin at the neck and let go.If it snaps back immediately, she's hydrated. If it takes a little time to go back down, or, worse, it stays up in a 'tent' shape, she needs fluids. The best way to get them is for a vet to inject them subcutaneously but you can also force feed her pedialyte.And yes, I would try a little vaseline round her anus to try and help with the discomfort.
So, if she's taking formula, that's good. You can add a drop or two of light-coloured Karo syrup to her formula to give her some more calories -- you can also buy something called Nutrical at pet stores, which is a high calorie paste. Either of those might help fatten the little thing up. You can also smear a little Karo syrup on her mouth -- no big blobs, nothing she can choke on -- to try and get her to take some.
KMR is what's usually recommended (kitten replacement milk). Canned will help best with getting fluids into her, if you give her powdered, then mix it with pedialyte.
Try the tent test. If she's dehydrated, she needs pedialyte.
Try a little vaseline on her bottom to ease discomfort.
Keep her warm and comfy and quiet and keep petting her and talking to her. And keep checking back here, for more advice and to let us know how she's doing.
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How to rehydrate if the tent test is bad:
Initially give 1 - 1.5 ml pedialyte (depending on kitten's size: roughly 1 ml per 100g bodyweight) every 20-30 minutes until the kitten is rehydrated and can urinate when massaged.When its condition improves, gradually increase the amount and decrease the frequency. If all goes well, diluted milk can then be introduced after 24 hours, and full strength milk 24 hours after that. For severe dehydration, parenteral (injected) fluids must be administered by a veterinary surgeon
That info is from a site called messybeast, which has loads of great information: http://www.messybeast.com/handrear.htm#rehydration
Hope some or all of this helps :-)
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alright i got some vasoline for the lils on anus and also nonflavor pedilyte and going to get kmr liquid n powder formula and look for nutrical high calorie paste.. i gotta bundle the lil one up and hold it to make it stop crying and fall asleep.
thanks for all the advice.
ill keep u postedPosted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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they are a lil over 2 weeks.
alright got the kmr...
also the nutrical..
i sorta have to force the sick kitten to eat..
i use an lil dropper from the vet. usually i try to feed it about 5-10ml each time just incase.
also i usually give it 2 tiny droppers full of pedialyte!! at each feeding..
also once a day i give it the powder kmr instead of water im mixing it with pedialyte..
i have to wrape it up in a shirt.. to get it to fall asleep..
any other advice..
the kitten is about 6oz the sickly one..
its only half the size of the healthy kitty which is always wanting food none stop..Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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ok, what you are describing with the sickly little one sounds a lot like worms to me. Even at that young age worms can make them very sick - causing diahrrea and lack of appetite. There are dewormers that vets can use on such young kitties, it just has to be done with precision and a lot of care. My vet usually gives them 0.02ml panacur at 2 weeks for worms.
As for the amount she's eating, try giving her less food, but more often. She should be ok on 2ml krm every 2 hours. A sick kitten wont want to eat as much, so they have to get their calories spread out in smaller amounts over the course of the day. You will know she's starting to feel better when she starts eating more.
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well i just got the little one bak from the vet yesturday...
she stayed with the vet over night for 2 nights..
so she said did everything for it.
i gotta call back tomrrw to give them a report how shes doing..
i gotta ask them tmrrw about the whole syringe and needle that was in their box...
i know its fluids but idk if they were sopposed to be giving to her before she went home or what..
prolly going back tomrrow. see about the syringe thing.Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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alright guyss still having trouble feedin the lil sick girl. all she does is cry seems like i cant do nothing right...
she wont suck off bottle u gotta force her to drink out of the dropper..
no matter what she is always crying its seriously driving me crazy.. i havent gotten any sleep since i got her weeks ago i am at the top with it.. sadly i dont knw how much more i can handle of the crying.. any advice would help i got a heating pad nothing works.. tried karo syrup to help to get her to suck but nothing seems to work ;(
PleaSe HelPPosted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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yupp i tried that. seems like nothing is working ugh
Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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yah ive been trying what skyron suggested 2ml every two hours.
yah i have her a little of theta nutrical when we first got it.
she has a rice bag that we heat up if she wants she can lay on/near it
also blankets and she seems to just sleep wrapped up.
i really cant tell if she too hott or too cold..Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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i felt her she felt just as warm as the healthy one... hmm should i try some more karo syrup thats what vet told me..
Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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this is so fusterating i cnt stop crying idk anymore ;(
Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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You can, CC, karo syrup is much the same as nutrical so I would try either one every two hours too :-) Nutrical for preference.
{{{CC}}}Don't cry, you are a hero for doing this, whatever happens. You can only do your very best, the rest is up to the kitten. It must be terrible to hear her crying all the time but just try to focus on what you CAN do for her, and hold her close to your heart (for your body warmth and heartbeat) the rest of the time, as much as you can.
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i tried the nutrical or w.e..
just nothing more i can take of the crying
idk whos crying more me or her.
shes as small as a newborn kitten.
the only thing that makes me think its gettin somewhat better is now its eyes are wide open.. big eyes lol
i usually wrap it up n a shirt and hold up against my chest and sing to it..
silly as it sounds..
i just dnt know anymore ;(Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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nope doesnt lick at it at all.
Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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Okay, well try it on the roof of her mouth and her tongue -- a very tiny smear, no blobs.
Have you tried the tent test? Does her skin snap back?
It is not silly at all to hold her against your heart and sing to her, you are doing exactly the right thing.
Try to ignore the crying (or even get earplugs). All you can do is what you are doing. If she is getting some formula into her, it's all good.
If and when you put her down again, in her nest, keep her wrapped in that shirt that smells of you, it may help to comfort her.
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i just cnt ignore the crying its loud sounds like im killing her....
ugh its non stop.im just worried she aint going to make it shes peeing and pooping a lil.
but always crying only eatin a lil bit..
and its driving me nuts i cnt stop cryingPosted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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shes so small..
if i could id take pics of her and her sister n u could see that she looks like a newborn and her sister is nice and chubby lolPosted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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CC, all you can do is try to get her to eat. Keep forcefeeding her the 2 ml every two hours. She may be younger than her sister, cats can have kittens from different fathers and different dates within the same litter. It may be that she won't make it, some kittens don't. But you are doing all you can to try and help her.
I really would suggest earplugs if you can't cope, or maybe you have a friend who could take over for a little while.
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i never knew that i heard of different fathers for them but not them being different ages.. hmm.... well the momma cat was a very young skinny stray cat.
they vet left a syringe and needle n the box shes in i think it has fluids in it but i dnt thnk id b able to give it to her myself ima call tmrrw at 8am.
when they first open.. ugh another night where i wont be sleeping. so as long has its having the 2ml even if i have to force feed it, it should be fine??
its pee is clear... its poop is like a brownish yellow...Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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Yes, call the vet tomorrow. I give my cat shots, it's not hard, you lift up the skin at the back of the neck and inject into the skin, but you need to know what you're giving her.
Yes, keep forcefeeding her the 2 ml every 2 hours, that should keep her going.
As to whether she will get through this, none of us can know with sick kittens but we keep trying :-)
If her pee is clear and her poop is mustard yellow, that's great, they both sound absolutely normal. Those are really good signs.
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yay that kinda made my day the whole saying ur poop and pee are absolutely normal and are good signs!!!! thanks so much lol
oohh the wonder of how lil things make me happy.. im just emotional today as i am away from home for the first time freshman in college.. got the stress of an apartment on my shoulders and a kitten that i love to death.. as my boyfriend next to me says i worry to much lol.. i just like to know answers lol..right now shes layin on her rice bag next to her sister my shirt lol (sadly my fav shirt haha) and a stuffed teddy bear.. haha. shes sleeping she tends to wake up move her head meow and go bak to sleep.. has another hour before i force her to eat again.. is it possible she isnt eating well due to having a respiratory infection and not being able to taste/smell the food.. she was given a shot of anitibioctics ect. that seemed to be going away but i dont know how long it takes..thanks for thoughs simple words of *good signs* that made my day tears are drying up now ;)
Posted 1 year ago by chubby cheeks #
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Yes, that's very possible about the URI, if cats can't smell their food, they tend not to want to eat and the more they don't eat, the more they don't want to. That's where the forcefeeding comes in.
With her urine being almost clear, she definitely doesn't need any extra fluids right now, just the formula. (Pale yellow/straw-coloured is the best urine colour.)
I'm so glad you're feeling better. You've got a lot on your plate at the moment. Come here whenever you like, we understand and there are some neat people on here. And we LOVE people who hand-raise kittens, they are our heroes. Hugs to you -- {{{CC}}}
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Hi CC,Jcat here is giving you great info,I just wanted to compliment you on your hard work taking care of these little orphans. It's hard to do,I know because I used to work with rescue and they used to give me all the kittens 'cause I was new. It scared me to death but I enjoyed it. I love kittens. Just keep doing what you're doing and keep us informed and ask anything. There's someone here nearly all the time.
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Cats who can't smell their food (like those with URI) don't eat very well. I don't know for sure about kittens, but it's probably the same. If you are giving her food at room temp try warming it just a little. That's what you do for an adult cat with a cold. The warmer food is easier to smell.
If the little one doesn't lick off the Karo or Nutrical try moving where you are putting it. Sometimes they lick the side of their mouth even when they don't like the front. Or you can try just lifting the side of her lip a bit and putting the Nutrical right on her gums.
Do you know anyone with a cat who has kittens right now? Sometimes (often) a nursing mama kitty will accept orphaned kittens. The kittens don't have to be exactly the same age, as long as they are within a couple of weeks, and, no matter how good an adoptive mama you are it's almost always better for a kitten to have a feline mama.
Another thing you might want to try is to make a sling and just carry her around when you are home. (I once carried a newborn kitty in my bra but you have to be fairly well endowed for that to work.) Your body warmth and heartbeat seem to help.
Posted 1 year ago by CheetahBoysmommy #
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