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Easter - a perfect time for a renewal of TDK

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  • Started 1 year ago by WillowandWindismom
  • Latest reply from lisaeylau
  1. Dear TDK Family,

    As lots of you are aware, there is a TDK group on Face Book made up of people from our TDK site here. It’s not to replace our beloved TDK, it’s just an additional place where it’s so much easier to post photos, videos and links. Earlier this week I had told the FB TDK group that I was leaving TDK, after much thought. I didn’t reach that decision because of anything that was done to me, but rather because of actions that have been taken here against another member of our TDK family. To say that I felt bad about all of it would be an understatement. I felt confused, ashamed for us all and discouraged that we seem to have lost our way, in a sense. Well, after some discussion on the FB site, I discovered that there are actually a good many of our TDK family who are, or who have been, feeling the same way – that something has gone astray here. We all collectively agree that TDK is a wonderful, wonderful place where we have many so many friends, and where we have learned so much. And so, I decided that the thing to do was not to leave, but maybe the better thing was to try and help get us back to where we have always been. As one of our family said, “Something has changed with TDK but I can’t quite put my finger on it”. And with that, I have to agree. Something has changed but change does not equal broken and I have too many memories with this group to leave without trying. TDK has always been such a happy place, a warm place, a supportive place and a place where everyone is welcomed. Personally, I don’t want to see us lose the best qualities of ourselves and of this little family. It is a sad thing when our own KittenMaster has to call us out… again… on our behavior, and even to tell us that he will shut this site down if need be. None of us wants that, I know. So all of us need to work together and have TDK be the place that we have all grown to love. I am still just so overwhelmed when I think of some of the things that we have done here that you probably wouldn’t see on another site – CM’s baby shower, the outpouring of love and support when we lose one of our own – human or animal, the birthday wishes and parties, the Christmas cards. You know that I could go on and on.

    So – where to begin? First of all, please don’t read more into what I will say that what I have actually said – I will try to choose my words carefully but you can’t see me, and you can’t hear my voice and I think that has lead to some of the problems in the past. I mean only what you are reading and nothing more. Secondly, please don’t think that I am talking to “YOU”…… I am talking to “US”. There is a big difference.

    It has always been a core belief of mine that we have something to learn from every person that we meet on our journey through this life. Some of it we agree with, some of it maybe not so much, but regardless we do learn. Some of us have, perhaps, a better way of phrasing things than others. Emma, for example, has a magical way with words. Some of us are more abrupt while others try to go to such extremes to phrase things in a way that won’t offend anyone that you really don’t know what they are saying. Then there are those of us, like me, who can say in fifty words what most people can say in five. The point is, it’s all learning. I hope to never see a time when, on TDK, there isn’t a place for all points of view. We are all different. We have different backgrounds. We have different life experiences. We have different emotions. But we are all valuable. There’s a saying in Texas, “Ain’t none of us goin’ get out of this thing alive”. That’s so true but we need to help each other on the journey. We can hold hands and help each other across the street so that no one gets lost.

    Given that lengthy introduction (sorry) I would just like to maybe bring up a few points of things that I have noticed of late. And then I hope that all of you will do the same. KM wisely set some rules for us when he began the chat site. They are brief (unlike mine), to the point and succinct. But we fail over and over to follow his requests of us. What does it really mean to be “fluffy”? Maybe that’s open to interpretation but I think that it partially means that we need to treat others as we would like to be treated. Come to think of it, I think that there is a rule about that. I think that it means to consider what someone is saying with our best effort and not to fly off the handle (which, I might add is something that I excel at – the flying part). I think that it means to be gentle with each other, to be considerate, to be understanding but not to be judgmental or cruel. I think that it means that we don’t go after someone with a vendetta and with the idea to drive them away.

    So how can we get back to where we have been – the warm, fun, safe, understanding and supportive community that we all love? Okay, here goes – some of my thoughts. And again, I am NOT talking about “YOU” so please don’t get angry and stomp off.

    Everyone is welcomed here. All points of view, no matter how different they might be from our own. If you don’t agree, then the best thing is to just not read those threads. Goodness knows that I don’t read all of the threads – I simply don’t have that much time. And if you KNOW that you are going to disagree with someone, either find a way to have an adult dialog about it or just don’t read that person’s threads. But we need to be kind and we need to be our own police. If someone is being “unfluffy” then I think we need to, in a gentle way, defuse that topic. But what we don’t want is for someone here to be endlessly and mercilessly attacked until they just leave. Really, Family – that is just wrong and it should never happen.

    Please don’t get your feelings hurt, or be angry, if not everyone responds to your threads. It isn’t personal and you are not intentionally being slighted. I’ve started threads only to realize that no one read it, but I’m okay with that. We’re all busy and sometimes we miss threads.

    We all are supportive of one another here but, to my knowledge, none of us are psychiatrists. We really should never be using an on-line chat group as our personal therapists. For one thing, with all good intentions we could offer “help” that is actually detrimental. And, we should all remember that what we say on TDK is not secure but rather it is available to anyone who wants to read it. I have been quite ill at ease at times here when it is almost as though TDK is being used as a therapist and I have to say, as a nurse, that I think that is dangerous. We can listen and suggest that we get true professional help when it’s needed, but I don’t think that the intent of KM in starting TDK was ever for any of us to bring problems here that really do need professional help, or for any of us to hang out a shingle that makes us think that we are qualified to tackle huge problems.

    Along those lines, I’m not sure that we really need to be discussing our health issues to such a great degree. When I was doing home health nursing, my team mates gave me the nickname of “Nurse Rat S_ _ T” because for some bizarre reason I’m actually very good at treating GI problems, or figuring out what’s wrong. But I’m retired now and I truthfully don’t want to come to TDK to read about bodily emissions. Maybe that’s just me, I don’t know.

    TDK has something to offer everyone – or at least we should. Not everyone wants to grab a whack-bonk stick, or stick a kitten in a backpack, or shoot snot from Texas to NM (one of my personal favorite pastimes!). But for those of us who like to engage in that silliness (me included) then by all means – fling that snot. I have always looked at those activities on TDK as our most creative selves. The skating parties, the birthday parties, the wild Night Shifts. When my mother-in-law was alive and living in assisted living, I would print some of our antics here and send them to her. She thought that they were wildly imaginative, fun and witty and they brightened her day. That doesn’t, however, mean that people are not welcomed here if they don’t want to do those sorts of things. Everyone should feel free to start threads, or join in, on things that are comfortable for them. No one should EVER feel forced to do something, or feel excluded in any way, if they don’t do something.

    Remember the old Coke Rules that we had? If you type something in anger, or hurt, before you hit that “enter” key go off and drink a coke. Or better yet, a martini. Cool down, come back and see if you are still angry. We all need to remember that you really can’t “take something back” once it’s been read by anyone. Just try to think how you would feel if you were attacked, which no one should be in the first place. So let’s just try to, as President Lincoln so beautifully said:

    "We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

    All families need growth, and we are no exception. We are so blessed when a new member finds us – we have a new friend and probably a bunch of new kitties to love. We need to take it as our personal mission that new members feel welcomed here and that they not feel that there are cliques within TDK. Frankly, I remember cliques from high school and I’m WAY too old to want to deal with that again. We are a family – we are not the Hatfield’s and McCoy’s where we ask people to pick one group or another to align themselves with. We are one – we are TDK.

    We need to put the fun back in TDK. We need to put the warmth back – it’s still there, it just gets hidden sometimes. Some of my fondest memories here are of the meet-ups. Of Mr. WWM asking me, “Are you for real? We’re going to drive all the way to Dallas and back just for lunch??”. Or thinking that that crazed British woman in London running up to anyone who even remotely looked like an American, asking if she was WWM! Now, whenever we travel, Mr. WWM actually asks me if we’re going to be meeting up with some TDKer’s. Those have been such special times and I think that we have all loved them. It bowls me over that MKW actually came on holiday to the U.S. just to visit TDK friends. Awesome! We do NOT want to lose that.

    We have lots of members who have left for whatever reason. But I think that many of them left because of the bickering. They just got tired of it, and went somewhere else. And when we lose a friend that way, they may be lost to us forever.

    So, here’s what I propose: please read what I’ve written and add your own thoughts. Let’s all of us pledge to restore TDK to its former glory and to do that we will have to do a bit of policing. We’re not going to call anyone out because we aren’t about picking on people. But, if a discussion gets out of hand, we need to have the courage to stop it or to redirect it.

    Finally, please, please, please let old grudges or hurts go. That is past – this is now. I have learned, in my somewhat long life, that if you harbor a grudge against someone it hurts only you. The person who is the object of your wrath is probably blissfully unaware of how you feel while you, on the other hand, are giving yourself ulcers. In the grand scheme of life, not much of what happens on TDK will impact the world. So please, just let those bad feelings go.

    Dear Family, I hope that you’ll receive this in the spirit in which I offer my thoughts. This is a special place and you all are special people.

    With love,
    WWM

    Posted 1 year ago by WillowandWindismom #

  2. WWM this is so beautifully written and I wanted to thank you for taking the time to type all of this out. It really was beautiful to read.

    I am very glad that you have decided to stay here with us on TDK. Although there are disagreements, it is a family, and all families fight from time to time. What is important is that we can as a family learn from our mistakes and move past the hard times.

    Yes TDK has changed, but as you said, it is not broken. Familes change. Events happen to both pull families further apart and to push them closer together. We just have to learn to grow with the changes and hold onto the great parts of what TDK is. We have to hold onto the warmth, hold onto the friendships, and never let that die.

    Although I have missed quite a bit of the drama that has gone on lately (I'll catch a few "keep it fluffy threads but always seem to miss what happened to make things unfluffy), I do hope that the unfluffyness can stay to a minimum. I agree that everyone is welcome here, despite their opinions on things. And I also agree we have something we can learn from everyone.

    So let's push any negative feelings behind us. Let's look forward to a brighter tomorrow. Let's take a deep breath when we are feeling upset, think twice before we type, and just relax and have some fun! Let's be the welcoming, caring family that I know we can all be and I know that you all were when I first came here with a sick little kitten and needed help. You all took me in, gave me advice. You laughed at the good times, you cried with me through the hard times. And that is why I love this place so much. And I hope many more people who come here over the next few years can come into this family too and love it just as much as I do.

    Posted 1 year ago by gini #

  3. Thank you, Betty, for having the love for this site and the many personalities (and purrsonalities!) that are here. I love TDK. I saw a lot of myself on both sides of some of the issues your brought up. I really and truly love and respect everyone here and everyone's ideas and thoughts. I may not always agree but what a boring place the world would be if we all did. I miss a lot of people. I miss a lot of the "stuff" you mentioned. I'm not on FB and don't know if I ever will be (was briefly a few years ago). I don't want to lose the family I have here. You don't know how sometimes y'all are my last lifeline (okay, I know you addressed that but what can I say, I'm alone).

    I came here when my Jetta was first diagnosed with CRF (originally thinking cancer). You all helped me and were here with me and were here with me when I made that last loving decision to take her to the Meadow.

    You all were here when my sister died suddenly, and you all brightened my dad's days: The Crazy Cat People! And you were here with me when I mourned and honored my Daddy.

    I need this family. I hope that it comes back to what it once was and even better.

    Thank you for this post. May we all read it with the love in which it is intended.

    Posted 1 year ago by Jetta and Boo Boo's Mom #

  4. Well said, all of you. I don't think I can add anything else to what you have already said.

    Posted 1 year ago by Cats4Cats #

  5. I can't say it any better than either of you, so all I have to say is, 'Brava ladies'!

    Posted 1 year ago by AZDEBRA 5/27 & crew #

  6. Thank you WWM for addressing this issue and putting it in words. I am fully behind WWM in this. I also stopped posting a lot, due to many reasons(very busy with the girls) but another is the unfriendliness of this forum. I found out people were emailing others and it wasn't friendly, people attacking others on the threads, the complaints of being ignored, etc. We have many more posters on this site now and I know for me, I miss threads, I miss posts, I may miss something important. A lot of times I skip to the end of a thread just to say hi.
    If I don't like a thread, I don't comment or post. If I don't agree with someone, I don't post. I have made too many friends on this site and I would hate to leave it. We NEED to start fresh and new. Old grudges throw them out. Hurt feelings, throw them out. Let's all play nice in the sandbox and play together.
    I was once new and was taken in by you all as a newbie and was made part of the family. My girls became TDK girls...You all waited on a thread till you knew I had Abbie and then Tigerlily called me in recovery to get the info! We were close then, we cared. We need to regain that. I miss that. I miss my TDK family.

    Posted 1 year ago by cricketsmama #

  7. I think we also have to remember that everyone feels negative from time to time. Sometimes I feel ignored, or sometimes I feel like I am having my toes stepped on, but we all just have to take a step back. I always try to look at it as "there are many threads and people are busy - they are not ignoring me, they just don't have something to say or time to say it or even see this thread". And if I feel like my toes are being stepped on, I think to myself "it is most likely not intentional because nobody would want to hurt my feelings on purpose". I think that it is important that we think about feelings like this in a similar way. Or if we are feeling hurt or ignored, talk about it in a civil manner to get our feelings across without hurting others along the way.

    Posted 1 year ago by gini #

  8. Karma sayz.... "Daddy agrees!"

    Posted 1 year ago by Karma's Daddy #

  9. I know, Gini. Sometimes when I'm feeling ignored (yes, i'm one of THOSE - LOL) it's more that I think: What did I do or say that offended someone because I could never ever ever do that to anyone (real or in ether-land) on purpose, it's not in my being. So I take the pledge that I am letting go of that on my end and if I have hurt anyone's feelings PLEASE accept my heartfelt and deepest apologies! I feel better already!

    Thank you, again, WWM, and those who have posted since and will after me.

    I really truly love you all.

    Lainey

    Posted 1 year ago by Jetta and Boo Boo's Mom #

  10. Thanks Betty,beautifully said.

    Posted 1 year ago by Buttercup #

  11. Betty, I could not have said it any better.

    And I am staying HERE. This is my home. You are my family. 'Kay?

    Posted 1 year ago by Emma #

  12. I agree with this 100%....... when I first joined this site as a newbie, it was so much fun, and I felt welcomed and loved!......... EVERYONE should feel that way!..... do I always agree? no...... do I always get noticed? no........ am I always right? h#ll no!!!..... but that's what is great about this site, it's a family - it was always my haven of enjoyment....... my way to unwind, or pass a long day...... my way to be silly, share love and receive love.......I have made some truly lasting friends here..........

    ...... my fondest hope is that this has been a sobering wake up call for all of us..... that we can let bye gones be bye gones......... that we embrace each other in the true spirit that TDK was founded on, and move it forward...... I LOVE YOU ALL!

    Bravo Betty, well said!

    Posted 1 year ago by AV #

  13. Well said, WWM! This is where I found such a diverse group of people whom when I talked about something I read on TDK, I would say it came from my Cat Group Friends. I enjoyed the very first meet-up in California. It was fun to put the faces with the TDK names. I also enjoyed the other meetups as well. I have been mostly lurking due to the many changes to TDK but sometimes would sign in to wish someone happy birthday or give my condolences on the loss of a loved one whether it was a furry one or a human. I am hoping that we can help make it a fun place to go to again.

    Posted 1 year ago by SylMiaFelixsMomma #

  14. Thank you WWM, for reminding us of all these things. I still believe that TDK is a wonderful, caring family, even if there are a few spats now and then. Like Ginny, I always seem to miss the drama and am only hearing the aftermath, but I know feelings do get hurt, etc. It is good to be reminded that we need remember to be kind to each other. {{{TDK}}}

    Posted 1 year ago by Rubia in CA, 4/28 #

  15. Thanks Betty....You are such a wonderful healer. Both physically and mentally!!! The fun of TDK is what got me into the site but the unsettling topics of animal abuse articles and bickering between others for no reason other than to fluff their feathers is what sent me packing. It became mentally exhausting to cope with it. I will try to peek in more often and hope that this site can recover from all the turmoil it seems to have experienced. I love so many of you and have felt like I know you like a neighbor, in fact some of you ARE my neighbor on my FB games, lol, and I have dozens of pictures of your kitties up on my wall near my puter and am constantly reminded of the wonderful times we've shared on this site. In this day and age people need a place to go to where they can forget problems and the day to day ugliness in the world. I've always felt as though topics here should be kept light and that emails were a better place to discuss touchy topics because one faces loyalty issues over supporting topics they themselves consider inappropriate for the site. Most of the mature people I've met on this site are the most wonderful people you could ever meet. Long Live TDK!!!!! =D

    Posted 1 year ago by Karenopa #

  16. Like Karma's Daddy said...I whole heartedly agree.

    This is where I turned when we had 7 little kittens that we were sure were going to die. We were in WAY over our heads. You all walked us through the first days and encouraged us as time went on. You were there when I lost my father and thought I was going to have to kill my SIL. You were there through my mom's illness and her passing. I will never forget all that support. You are the best and want it to stay that way...

    Thank you everyone

    Posted 1 year ago by Alicia #

  17. LOL...I've been posting on FB for so long now that I keep looking for the 'like' button here on TDK when I read people's posts! Old habits die hard! =D

    Posted 1 year ago by Karenopa #

  18. Yes, brava Ladies! Well said....

    Posted 1 year ago by kittymom #

  19. I agree. Well put WWM.

    Posted 1 year ago by Cat talk rules #

  20. Thank you so much, Everyone, for your support. Please keep your thoughts and feelings coming. In the end, it will profit all of us!

    Posted 1 year ago by WillowandWindismom #

  21. I think we need to remember that it is a real person on the other side of the computer screen. At work I feel like upper management views us worker bees as little game pieces that they can move about as they please...we aren't real to them and as a result people get hurt. Sometimes when we are talking about someone else's ideas we forget that they are more than an idea but a person with hopes, dreams, and feelings. And we all want to be accepted. That might not be a could comparison but it is all I could think of right now so I hope this makes sense and I'm not one of those people who try so hard to not step on toes that I'm not making any sense. :)

    Posted 1 year ago by Cat talk rules #

  22. LOL, CTR... not all all, my friend.

    Posted 1 year ago by WillowandWindismom #

  23. CTR!... you are loved and appreciated here! (((huggs))

    Posted 1 year ago by AV #

  24. Betty, Well said dear friend! As usual I have missed the drama. I have noticed that some of us are not posting as much but had no idea why. TDK is so important to me. I treasure the friends I have made. The support given has seen me through so much. How could I possibly forget the marathon of the waiting room when Charles was on his way and the shared joy when he finally arrived, the hope and comfort given during Wilbur's illness and his loss? The precious time in London with Abbey and finally meeting, face to face those dear ladies! What a time we had...the smiles, the laughter and the food! The meet ups in Austin, more smiles, love and the shared closeness of friendship. All families have ups and downs. I guess it is like a beautiful garden, it takes tending, work and care to be beautiful. I try to follow my mom's rule which was be kind. You folks are so important to me and I am thankful that you are here. Betty, thanks so much for your thoughts and for starting this discussion. I have enjoyed reading the comments and as always hugs to all of you.

    Posted 1 year ago by Puddytat #

  25. WWM--perfect. I have nothing to add. I created the Coke rule after an embarrassing episode that nearly resulted in my leaving TDK. What a loss that would have been for me!!! I believe a Coke over ice fixes everything.

    And since I *always* have a Coke by my side...I'm ready to greet the future w/my beloved littermates!!!

    Posted 1 year ago by lisaeylau #

  26. Thank you for the reminder to listen twice as much as I speak. Very well said WWM and Lisa your Coke rule are amazing!

    Posted 1 year ago by SoxsMom #

  27. Well said WWM. I hereby retake the Pledge and will do my best to return TDK back to the fun, supportive, friendly place it once was.

    Posted 1 year ago by KapitiKats in NZ #

  28. Paw on heart I too hereby take the pledge to continue making TDK and fun & friendly place to come to. I pledge to only use my Whack-Bonk stick for good, to sling snot and re-fuel the Cybermobile after using it. I pledge to help anyone asking for kitty help to the best of my ability.
    I pledge to uphold KM's rules.
    Please excuse me if I come in part way through a story but time differences mean that by the time I get to TDK there is a full day of threads and it's impossible to read them all.

    Posted 1 year ago by Moonshadow_NZ #

  29. I hereby take the martini pledge as well -- to do my very best to follow KM's fluffiness rules, to try to make everyone feel welcome here and, when something gets my goat, to go gulp a martini before I post anything in reply. Well, sometimes it might have to be a hot chocolate but the thought is there.

    Posted 1 year ago by jcat #

  30. As often happens, I'm late chiming in, but just a few thoughts... as Billy Joel once sang, "The good old days weren't always good, and tomorrow's not as bad as it seems". There have always been disagreements on TDK, and things that some people thought were great but others didn't. I personally find snot-flinging fights disgusting and unnecessary, but that's just me and so I choose not to participate. That's a choice we all have, to take what we will from the group and leave the rest alone. As a fairly long-time member, I can't honestly say that I haven't noticed a major change in the tone of the group; it's still mostly a wonderful group of good people who care about each other and about their cats.

    What I do think is appalling is the idea that someone would attack a fellow member of the group via e-mail. My personal opinion is that anyone who does that should be reported to KM and immediately and permanently banned, but again, that's just my opinion.

    I have made some wonderful friends in the real world as a result of being part of this group, and there are many more I'm hoping to meet someday. I wouldn't trade that for all the "fluffiness" in the world.

    I promise to think before I respond, and particularly to think before taking offense because I think I've been ignored. I know I've been guilty of that in the past.

    Now, can somebody please post some kitten pictures - we need some cute around here :)

    Posted 1 year ago by Kilroy #


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