That's the attitude here in Finland. How about in your home town?
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"I won't hire fat people"
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WOW ... 1/3 of the people here. That's a lot! HR and others in hiring positions may think that, but could never say it ... discrimination.
And the BMI calcultors don't take into account basic body size and muscle mass. Man-friend would fall into the 'obese' category based on the calculators you find on the net. He is not that. He's big boned with lots of muscle mass.
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No they wouldn't dare 2P..one of us fat girls would sit on them..lol..and now that you mention it, I do remember reading a while back that over there, they eat till they are satisfied and them stop. I just still have this thing in my head from mom.."There are starving children all over the world...Finish you plate"...
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I heard that all the time too, 2bp. I have many Hawaiian friends, and we all know the typical Hawaiian is not small. I have heard them say, we don't eat until we're full, we eat until we're tired. LOL
I have heard that about the French people as well, 2bp... they eat until they are satisfied.
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But the French are NEVER satisfied! Stinking French...... (yes, I do know how to hold a grudge!)
Posted 3 years ago by WillowandWindismom #
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I have already encountered discrimination due to being overweight. They do not say it but how I know is that we have a 30-40 minute interview over the phone and they tell me how my skills and experience is exactly what they seek and then when I get in for the in person interview, I spend about 10 minutes with them. After all that, I never hear from them ever again. Believe me, I can do the job just as well as a skinny person and usually even better than them! I may be overweight by medical terms but am actually quite healthy and can move quite well too (I just don't run up the stairs). A term I heard for discrimination for being overweight was coined as "weightism".
Posted 3 years ago by SylMiaFelixMomma #
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It is against Federal law. But unless they actually TELL you that, you can't prove it.
Posted 3 years ago by Sheba's Mom in Phoenix, AZ 10/8 #
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SM, I'm sorry... how is it against federal law? I know it's illegal to discriminate in hiring based on sex, race, religion, or disability. Can you point me to the law you're talking about?
Posted 3 years ago by anncetera2 #
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I think it's covered under the ADA, anncertera. Although, if it were, would airlines still be allowed to force obese people to purchase an extra seat (like I wish they had to the dude I was forced to be wa-a-a-a-a-y too close to on a flight from Minneapolis to Tampa a few years back).
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Obesity is a disability - that's how.
Posted 3 years ago by MeezerRoboto #
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So why do I have to give up half of my seat (when I paid for one entire seat, mind you) to a dude who can't fit in his? If I have to be in a man's lap for a 3 hour flight in downdrafts that make the wings literally flap like a bird's (we all feared they were going to rip right off), I'd prefer it be my husband's lap, thank you very much.
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Thanks for the clarification! I think this is still very much a state-by-state sort of thing, and about as difficult to prove as most cases of age discrimination. Yeah, the applicant isn't too old... they're 'overqualified.' Applicants aren't too fat... it's just that they found someone 'more qualified.' There's endless wiggle room for euphemisms, just no room for openly expressed discrimination.
Posted 3 years ago by anncetera2 #
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No, Gatakitty. I agree with you completely. It's the same with the theater - only on a far smaller scale. Why should I have to pay the same for an "all you can eat" as someone who is obviously going to do a far better job at it, for that matter? That's why I may skip a meal or two prior to going to a buffet. --you know, to get my money's worth!
Posted 3 years ago by MeezerRoboto #
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I think that as North Americans we have a serious problem with obesity, but it's one that has been practically built into us by society. Like you said 2 Popoki, just look at our portion sizes. It's something that seriously needs to be rectified.
At the same time I think a lot of people fail to see that it's not always just a case of not having self control. For some people it's exactly that: a disability, a disease. At least awareness is being raised and people are starting to learn the facts about the issue.
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Okay as a F-A-T girl I know to stop when full, I rarely ever finish my plate while at a restranuant and if I do it;s becuase I do lunch not dinner portions. At home I am very concious of home much I put on my plate, besides nothing can touch each other on my plate. For some it i depression that makes them eat, some it is they just don't have the switch to tell them the tank is full, some are like me one it runs in the genes and two thyroid issues, slow metabolisms. There are no one reasons and many people suffer multiply causes. I know my biggest problem is not how much I eat it is how often. I eat one to two times a day only and I still only eat enough for a sinle portion which means I am eating under the daily quota for calories and servings. It also means my body stores food becuase of the long stretches between eatings.
People can be fay and heavy, it just has to deal with correct food consumptions and portions. As for my italian side of the family the majority were quit robust. But then in the Brunos broad shoulders, barrel cjests, and big hips ran in the family. On my mom's side the Wallis's it was the pear frames what we call the wallii spread, big hips, chunky thighs and big flat butts.
And it can be seen in all the family photos. And yet my grandma bruno made everything from scratch and used fresh produce in her cooking. And there was a lot of sea food becuase my grandfather came over to the US from Sicily, so between seafood and pasta it was very lean and healthy and yet figures still filed out!
So anyone who looks at me and says your fat or obese or that you can't do the job becuase of your weight I say kiss my lily white A$$ and just watch me do it! Wait should not determine a persons suitablilty to work especially if it is a desk job. I think it is just a form of discrimination which has oddly become acceptable when it should not be!
Posted 3 years ago by Momma to 2 MaineCoons #
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I'm not petite either, LV. I know how you feel--have you seen the commercial where all the man does is switch to diet soda and he loses 20 lbs while the wife goes all-out and doesn't lose an ounce??? That's hubby and me.
Still, even though the Dr. says I'm "obese," I live a normal life. Yes, for some it is a medical matter rather than one of choice or lifestyle, but I have a very hard time condidering obesity as a disability. Sometimes it's a cause, other times it's an effect of other issues, but I just can't wrap my brain around it being a disability. If it's lifestyle and a person wants it badly enough, he will make adjustments. If it's medical and a person is resourceful enough (notice I did NOT say "had enough resources"--there can always be found a legal means around lack of funds if one has enough smarts and determination), he will have access to treatment.
I think the definition of "disability" has gotten way out of hand. For the truly disabled--those without use of one of the five senses or four limbs, those whose weakened cardiopulmonary systems or brain function precludes living what we call a "normal" life--by all means we should provide all the help they want and need. I draw the line, though at calling things like obesity, behavioral disorders, and the heartbreak of psoriasis disabilities. The ADA was a good idea badly implemented. It has made claiming disability too easy and has enabled too many people to fraudulently claim disability and get an easy buck, making things harder on the people who really need and deserve assistance.
I've seen just how easy it is to fraudulently claim disability. I witnessed it with my own eyes with two no-good husbands of hard-working honest women.
Again, I know there are people who really need assistance and legal protection. I also know that those people are getting ripped off by the frauds who have gotten an easy free pass from the ADA.
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Here's my two cents...
I grew up skinny. I went to college model thin (while eating everything in my path,) I lived my 20s what I would call "perfectly proportioned." In my 30's I acquired a cute little pot and a nice set of C-cups.
I hit 40 and...with a lifetime of eating habits that would do justice to a marathoner...75 pounds jumped on me like white on rice.
So, I can honestly say I've lived a substantial number years as a thin adult, and nearly a decade as a fat adult. And I don't carry my weight in a pretty manner. I'm an apple. Seems like half my weight went to my face!!!
My perspective is: When I hit 165 lbs, it was like someone dropped a cloaking device over my head. Isn't that strange? I've been both higher and lower...and I know that 165 is my "magic number"...the weight at which the world draws a line in the sand for me.
This discovery has been frankly enraging, because it proves that it's not all in my head. When my weight it up, men stop making eye contact. They stop making small talk. Or if they do flirt, they're always looking to see who's watching them. It's like they're afraid someone might see them with the fat girl and think they like her.
Service goes to hell everywhere from the post office to the library to Macy's. You don't dare complain about anything, because you'll get no response. Store managers seem to think they have no reason to garner your loyalty. People assume you've never been anywhere or done anything interesting. They're startled to learn you've had good, long relationships. They seem to expect you to be lazy and disorganized. It's horrible!
I have a cousin who lives here who has been heavy all her life. She used to b*tch about things like this, and I thought it was all in her head. Then my turn came. And now I *know* she wasn't exaggerating.
Sorry this turned into a rant. But I feel sooooo much better!!!
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Forgot to say to SMM--I've experienced the exact same thing in job interview after job interview. Great phone interview...you're just the person...perfect fit for the position.
Then they take one look at me and I can see it in their eyes. They actually look disappointed.
It's not like I wasn't warned...I was...My internship mentor told me if I didn't get weight off I'd have a hard time finding clients and/or being hired at a clinic. And she was dead right.
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Some people are overweight because of stupid meds that slow our motabolizm down. I somehow managed to gain 20 poinds since june. I need to talk to my doctor again. I would almost rather have the occasional petit mal seizure then be on my meds. Plus im on a few other meds that make me feel hungry constantly.
I had a job interview once where the guy asked me if I was planning to loose weight. (I was actualy at my lowest weight since I was in my teens) and I have to say I was irritated. I would love to loose 50 pounds.
I dont like discrimination of any kind.
Chey
Posted 3 years ago by spacecatsgarden #
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I'm not obese, but I'm definitely overweight, and that's largely down to medication. This time last year I was a UK dress size 12/14, then in October I was put on some new migraine medication. I was warned about the side effects, and sure enough the weight started to creep - then almost gallop - on. Twelve motnhs down the line I'm size 16/18 and struggling to shift it despite eating better and hitting the gym 3 times a week.
Posted 3 years ago by MadcatwomanintheUK #
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my weight fluctuates but I am surprised I never lost the winter gain, but infact gained more. I kid you not, I dont eat a lot. I eat way less then my dad, stepmom and brother and yet im still heavier then all of them. I am only a couple inches shorter then my dad. Now if I could just get my dad to stop making comments about me needing to loose weight I might feel a little better. My step mom only made one comment once years ago and since apologized. My little half brother tried once but the death glare was enough to get him to apologizes immediately and never make a comment about my weight again lol.
Posted 3 years ago by spacecatsgarden #
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It was educational reading your testimony, lisa. Like you, I was rail-thin growing up, but I didn't see it that way. I was the unpopular kid in school; the one even the uncool kids and the cousins didn't want to be seen being nice to. I guess I'm just accustomed to being treated like crap--except for my parents, my husband and two of my three kids (and y'all of course), it's the only treatment I've known. No wonder I don't feel discriminated against--it's the same stuff with a different name.
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Hello, just wanted to chuck in my two cents here too. I'm overweight too, and I have an underactive thyroid gland. They are probably related, but at the time I was diagnosed, as I said to my mum, it would have been more of a concern if I hadn't gained some weight with the amount of chocolate I was eating :D. However, I'm certainly struggling to shift the weight now far more than I used to.
My view about the overeating thing is that it's not about will power, its more about how much food means to you. Growing up, meals were always important cos thats where we all chatted, and my parents used to cook good food (buy good steak every so often etc and my mum used to home cook verything - it wouldn't have occured to her to open a jar for pasta sauce of anything). And even now I get a lot a lot of pleasure out of eating things I enjoy, whether its the crunch of a fresh capscum, or chocolate slightly melted with a cup of tea. I enjoy food in many ways - I love preparing it if I have time, I adore the smell of noodles going into water, I like multi coloured plates, I like different textures and of course the taste is important. So for me food is an important experience in many ways. My boyfiend is not like me at all, we eat pretty much the same except I serve him larger portions usually, but he's technically underweight. Food just does not matter to him as much at all; he appreciates good food, and he does like it, but its much more just something he needs to live and not an experience like it is for me. So he will happily ignore hunger all day, or just eat a piece of bread to make the hunger go away etc if I'm not cooking, not something I can do.
I have tried to diet but then i usually just get miserable; I don't like to be worrying about everything I eat when normally I get some so much from food. And I struggle to find a balance where I can allow myslef a little bit of what I like and not eat my fill of it, thats probably where the will power come in. Great food to me is anything I enjoy, not just expensive or posh food (I'm a student so its mostly cheap food I eat, lol, but as long as I enjoy it I don't care).
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I too was like Lisa. Growing up I was a healthy person with my weight a little below what I should weigh. I was always a child who moved around playing outdoors and became even more athletic as I got older. At age 12 I started playing soccer and other sports. I loved physical education and was taking all the classes you could take in high school which were swimming, field hockey, badminton, tennis, and of course more soccer. When I got to college, there were not much available in the physical education department for classes. This is when I started to put on weight. I still looked good and healthy and felt I was in proportion to what my doctor said I should weigh at. When I reached 30, I felt I was overweight (around 20 lbs). So I started what would continue through out life of losing weight and keeping it off for a period of time (6 months) and then gaining it back. Over time, my initial weight of 20 lbs to lose has now ballooned into needing to lose 80 lbs which accrued over a period of 15 years. My problem was I always felt deprived when I was trying to lose weight (even on Weight Watchers). I am not a big eater and in fact, once had a family member say to me that they couldn't understand why I was overweight when I didn't eat very much. I eat normal size portions and three meals a day. I think my problem is I don't exercise like I use to and I don't eat enough fruits and vegitables.
Posted 3 years ago by SylMiaFelixMomma #
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Don't forget that much of the food (meat) we eat has been raised on growth hormones. The scientists have already proven that the growth drugs remain in our food and can affect us. If thoses drugs cause cows and chickens to grow more on less food, what do the drugs do to humans?
Posted 3 years ago by CheetahBoysmommy #
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